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Aaron.Tkill
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Hello Everyone!
California National Guard.
Going to keep the story's short. Im 29 years old now. Back In 2006 I made the dumbest mistake and got a DUI, when I was 18. In 2008 I got in a fight (he attacked me) with my roommate. He said I hit him with my handcuffs,(I was a security guard) so I got arrested. The charge assault with deadly weapon non fire arm. That charge was dropped. I've been to MEPS got a 72 on my Asvab. My packet has been sent to the review board. How long does it usually take? Sent the packet in on the 10th of July. Is a waiver still needed even though the DUI is off my record? Also should I be stressed out like I'm not going to get in? Hopefully there's been worse than my story.
Thank you for your time.

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MSG Glenn
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@ Aaron

I really could never get a good handle on the waiver system. Some very difficult ones seem to go through fast while simple ones take a long time. Yours has taken 10 days so far. The only thing I can figure is how busy the board or waiver authority is & how many waivers they have up for review. They might even have to kick it up to a higher level. I'll bet your Recruiter can't even tell you how long it could take but at least he can give you an educated guess.

Keep me updated & good luck!

Aaron.Tkill
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Hurry up and wait

The subject line says it all!
When we first sent the packet in on the 1st, they responded very quickly to want more info on the altercation I had with the roommate. I'm just hoping they truly look at me overall as a new person, yes I had problems in the past but I've learned from it and I've grown alot since then. Do you think I should send them some cookies or something to hurry up the process?

MSG Glenn
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@Aaron

LOL. I don't think cookies will help. Possibly even hinder. What if you give them the wrong ones? Or the Soldier in question has a hard time making weight? LOL.

All you can do is wait. That's the hardest part. Once in a while check with your Recruiter.

I'm curious. Did you lose your security license? I was licensed as armed security in the state of WI & still hold a PI license which I might let expire. Probably not.
Even though I also have a concealed carry license a "professional" gun license carries a little more weight. I just shudder at the expense requalification would cost me, though. This state is very rigid when it comes to issuing security/PI licenses.

Aaron.Tkill
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Hurry up and wait-2

No didn't lose it. I even got my armed permit after that. In my letters I put in that I was armed security and I was able to carry a weapon. I carried a sig 40 Smith. Awesome weapon.
It was a messed up situation that happened. It was a friend from HS who went in the Marine corps. His wife was going to leave him cause he cheated on her and I ended up being his whipping boy. Tried to subdue him but his buddy was helping him out. They told the police I hit him so I automatically went to jail. Then got stuck in jail due to the wild fires. So they call that being detained. The review board thought it was more than that so they kicked the first packet for more info.
I have an awesome recruiter. Believe it or not, he was able to get a guy in that had a impersonating a police officer charge. So that's why I have some hope lol

Aaron.Tkill
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Saw the last post by the recruiter

So I read the last Forum. Are those terms based off only with a GED. I do have a HS diploma.
The post I read was GED with having charges, needing a moral waiver, that those won't get waivers at this time.

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Aaron...

I'm not sure know about the GED. I wonder if having a GED also requires a certain amount of college credits to qualify for enlistment is still a policy. I know there were certain exceptions at certain times in certain recruiting districts who were short of their recruitment goal.

My issue pistol was a Glock 22 .40S&W & my personal firearm was a Glock 23 which I carried while doing PI work. Gave the G 23 to my son who was going through the Police Academy before WI had a concealed carry law & when I stopped doing uniformed security work. A while later the law was passed & my son said I should get a S&W M&P, the firearm the PD is issued so I got a good deal on a police trade-in full size M&P 40 & bought a new M&P 40 Compact. The FS is for home defense & the Compact is my carry piece although in colder weather I carry the FS sometimes. I can also carry the Compact loaded with 15+1 round FS mags. I have the M&P40C on my belt right now. that goes on when I put my pants on & stays until I get ready for bed, usually 0530 or earlier until about 2200. I'm debating joining the Police Auxiliary. That would give me range privileges at the Academy (about a half mile from my home) but I would need to put in a certain amount of hours each month doing traffic control & such (unarmed). I really don't feel like doing that. It's unpaid duty. I'll just contend with paying range fees at a gun store.

Aaron.Tkill
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@MSG Glenn

That's an awesome set up that you got. I wish I would have kept my permits. I was working six months out of the year in San Bernardino, that was an crazy place! I'm glad I was armed.
I still go out with my buds that do patrol at night sometimes, in San Diego county, it's not as crazy. I just go out when Im bored lol So were you thinking like police reserves?

Aaron.Tkill
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Almost there!

So recruiter contacted me today. They forgot to put my ID and HS diploma in my packet lol. Said that's good news if they were looking for that. Not a DQ. He said he was so worried about making sure everything else was perfect and forgot those two things. Should hear something soon.

Aaron.Tkill
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Short Mos

I had my recruiter send me a list of short Mos's. From my understanding the waiver board looks at what job you pick. He sent me 11b (surprised that's on there) 92g and 88m. Does anyone have a list of short Mos's or a website I can look it up? I would assume there is more than 3.

MSG Glenn
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MOSs

It's possible that many if not most MOSs are pretty much filled up due to all the recent HS & college grads. I still would think that there's be more than that, though.

I'm also surprised 11B is open. That usually doesn't open until winter.

It seems like things are moving along smoothly for you. There shouldn't be any more problems. I hope I didn't jinx your recruitment process, LOL.

We don't have a police reserve here. Just a police auxiliary. I don't think they even get a ride along. Non-armed & they wear a a different uniform shirt & patches. Not enough there to want to make me join, LOL.

Aaron.Tkill
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Mos

The only reason why I can think he gave me those 3 is due to not being able to get a security clearance, due to a DUI. I think I'm right about that. I wanted to pick 19D CavScouts,11b is almost the same just don't get cool Cav hat lol. I really like the history the CavScouts have though. The other reason why I wanted to look at short Mos's so I can pick up rank quicker. I would really like to be a recruiter later on my career. I'm already a car salesman, so it shouldn't be any different lol.
I think you should do the auxiliary police. It's sounds like and awesome gig. I kinda miss doing security. Late nights driving around, not a lot of traffic. It was nice. The money wasn't great though lol

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@ Aaron

It also occurred to me that the local National Guard unit has only limited MOSs. I retired out of the Army as an Active Army Advisor to a Reserve Division (1 mile from my house, LOL. Someone screwed up royally.) Although I wasn't involved personally but we'd get guys coming off active duty with MOSs the division just didn't have on their table of organization. MPs come to mind. We had 2 - a LTC & a MSG. If they wanted to get in the Reserve unit they'd have to reclassify & in most cases the division certainly didn't want to pay the bill for MOS training. Those Soldiers were sent to the local National Guard Brigade to find out whether they had openings. As a general rule of thumb Reserve units are Service, Service & Support or Training & Guard units are Combat Arms. In other words if your local guard unit has no slots nor ever will for 19Ds then you won't be able to join them with that MOS.

Infantry has a little flash also. When you graduate from Infantry School you get the Blue Cord to wear around your right shoulder & when you serve a combat tour you get the Combat Infantry Badge to wear on your chest.

I pretty much gave up going into the Police Auxiliary. It really doesn't interest me very much. Maybe I'll get back into Security. I made pretty good money as a CPL & then SGT. I was qualified & trained up to CPT but never held the rank due to the size of the account where I worked & the amount of officers I had under me. Now I mostly do PI work, mostly from home doing research with an occasional surveillance job when needed due to manpower shortages. I'm working on 3 cases right now doing computer searches & phone call interviews trying to find locations of guys who skipped for some reason or another. Last year I found one just by looking in a white pages phone directory with a Dept. of Motor Vehicles check, LOL. The only thing he did was change his middle name, LOL. Nobody would accuse him of being intelligent.

Aaron.Tkill
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@MSG Glenn

Got good news from the recruiter today. Passed the suitability review board. The moral waiver will be sent up today, TAG lvl. He said that, thats great news cause the people who are on the review board are basically the same peeps. Just needs to upload a few more docs and reference letters.
Says I'm his first TAG, I feel honored lol, I popped his cherry.

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@Aaron

Great news! I can't see you being disapproved anymore.

Keep the updates coming. There are many prospective recruits that read these posts that will never post themselves. Good or bad news helps quite a few people.

Aaron.Tkill
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@MSG Glenn

I will for sure. The recruiter said will take two weeks, quicker for the Guard, cause it's state lvl.
He's been doing this longer, but I think one month is more realistic.

MSG Glenn
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I'd say...

...that by summer's end you'll be all processed & enlisted. Now that I thoroughly jinxed you...LOL.

Aaron.Tkill
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Thank goodness!

Summer in Georgia, well summer at any basic training would be worse than winter. Kinda glad the process took sometime lol.
You can make any comment, as long as you don't eat any charm candies out of the MRE's, and then make a comment! Heard those have bad JuJu's tied to it haha

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There was a time...

...when eating anything out of an MRE pack was bad luck, LOL. I had an old C Rat can when I was in the Navy Submarine Service with a packing date of 1945 (WW II!). I forget what it was but I think it was corned beef hash. Delicious! We also had some "aged" Vienna sausages in a can that were good, too. We called them "CPO Dogs" because the Chief Petty Officers (CPOs) were very fond of them & they'd go through the stacks looking for them. Of course we usually got there first so we'd store some away & when Chief would do us a favor we'd slip him a can, LOL. I got out of a few $h!t details that way, LOL,LOL.

Aaron.Tkill
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@MSG Glenn

Did it age like wine? I actually don't mind eating them. My father would always bring cases in. We would eat them when he was too tired to cook, or in a hurry to be somewhere. It was so cool when it went to the self heating pack.
Did that 1945 Rat. Have anti-german propaganda? Lol

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They actually tasted...

...just as a brand new one would. They must have known how to safely can things then & made them to last a long time.

No propaganda that I ever saw, LOL. Since this was on a submarine it would more than likely be anti-Japanese.

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Great news and darn it news

So the waiver was sent to the board at 11pm Today.
I went in to see my recruiter today also.I always go in at least once a week to check in, say hi and chit chat.
I've learned you have to be extremely proactive to keep things rolling.
So what we learned today him and myself is that the wavier does get sent to TAG but it is not the same person who approves the suitability review. The suitability review approver does National Guard Battalion waivers, higher lvl waivers. (We called up his SGT and got the low down). Heard that the TAG person is somewhat a tough cookie. Was told by his SGT that we should hear something by the last Friday of the month, if not, email them to death.
2nd thing I learned and this is for everyone who is about to join,bless you with some knowledge, that once you enlist in the ANG who have to wait 120 days min before you ship out. Unless you can pass your MOS OPAT.
If you don't know what that is... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.army.mil/article-amp/168882
Then you have a chance to change your contract. If you don't want to take it then you just wait for your ship out and do your required RSP meet up.

MSG Glenn
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@Aaron

Now that's what I wish everyone would do - pass on information. I myself can only take a guess at many of the questions. An educated guess but still a guess. Policy is constantly changing & since I lost all of my friends who were local Recruiters to transfers to the Big Army & I also lost many of my resources. I can do what everyone else can do through Google or Bing but I've found that sometimes the info is not quite right or outright wrong. It's determining the difference that's the trick.

There was a time when I was a Volunteer Recruiting Assistant to the Sergeant Major of the Army & kept getting updates periodically but that program was cancelled a while back. This position was offered to Army retirees.

Well done Aaron & thanks.

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Glad to help

What future recruits need to know is ask all the questions you can, no question you ask will be too dumb. Recruiters are there to answer questions. Remember it's your future on the line.
Not to toot my own horn but my recruiter claims I'm the best well versed and most knowledgeable recruit he has had. It's because I ask and ask and ask. I do as much research as much as I can to understand the process and procedures.
If all goes well for me and my moral waiver, I can help with questions. My recruiter and I are going to stay in contact after Basic and AIT.
Let's just all hope I can get past this phase!!

Aaron.Tkill
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@MSG Glenn

Update...
Moral waiver is at quality control. This process is where to check to see if the paperwork is correct. They also look at past recruits with similar waivers to see if there was any issues with their careers because of their past issues. It's really great for the recruiter to keep me informed on each process. Each day we are getting closer to victory!
He also wants the process to hurry cause it's been slow for him haha. Guess him and I are not necessarily on the same page on reasons why we want the process to hurry up, but it's in the same chapter haha

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More Good News...

...it would seem.

Don't worry about the weather when you're at BCT. Regardless the season it'll be bad, LOL.

Aaron.Tkill
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@MSG Glenn

My Brother in Law is a Drill SGT at Fort Sill, so I'm hoping that we will be able to pick that for Basic. I know most MOS's is tied to a certain base, I'm really thinking about going 88M, and that's not tied to a certain BCT base.
The reason why I'm thinking about 88m is for it being a short MOS, more possibility for being deployed or used State side. After I've dipped my toes in that MOS for a few years, then go 19D or 11B Being already qualified for certain vehicles and knowledge, I would be a well rounded candidate.

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Sounds good.

I really don't know which post is used for 88M. Ft. Sill used to be strictly (?) for Field Artillery OSUT (BCT & AIT run back to back as one school). I know many changes were made not too long go. Ft. Jackson seems to be the catch-all for many MOSs. A lot might depend on when you leave & which BCT post has room.

Ft. Knox was Armor OSUT & Benning was Infantry. Now both are at Benning.

Aaron.Tkill
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Murica

Received a call today. My waiver as been approved!!!
I will be enlisting on Tuesday. This has been a crazy ride. Thank you @MSG Glen for being here to talk to all of us knuckleheads. I already called all the family and friends and told them the awesome news. Funny thing was I was using the head when my SGT called me.

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@Aaron

Not a head, a latrine, LOL. A head is a Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard term for the crapper, LOL. It took me awhile to call it that after coming to the Army from the Navy. That & the floor is not a deck, stairs aren't ladders & the ceiling is not the overhead, LOL. A mop is a mop & not a swab, etc., etc.

Pretty soon you'll be heading to BCT. Good luck to you!

Aaron.Tkill
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Oh man!

Lots to learn. I was in NJROTC for 4 years. I heard marching is just a little different also.

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Re: Marching

Now that you bring it up I guess there is a difference between Army/Navy marching. I had a bunch of years between services so I really didn't notice it much. Most of the marching I did in the Navy was at boot camp. Not much after that & not a whole lot of marching in the Army as I didn't have to go to basic. Saluting commands are different. In the Army it's present arms/order arms. The Navy is hand salute/two.

I had 2 former Marines, 3 Sailors, 1 Airman & 1 Coast Guardsman (that I know of) in my company. Plus my company commander was former USAF enlisted. My 1SG was former Navy. The XO was former Navy enlisted (submarines so we had a lot in common. He was also scuba qualified). There was a former submarine enlisted who was a MAJ in S3. Most former Sailors had gotten commissions through ROTC when they went to college after their Navy time & the same for the CO after the USAF.

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Sworn in and ready

So yesterday I swore in. It was awesome. It was a very long day. Meps was still playing catch up from the holiday. All I had to do that day was do was an inspect. What that consist of is:
You strip down to your underwear
You get your height and weight checked
They check your hands/palms
They make you do a couple squats
They make you lift your leg and grab your ankle
Then finally you speak to the doctor (takes less than two minutes when you actually talk to him) they just ask if there was any changes since your last visit. If you had anything medical, tickets/run in with police.

So I picked 6 year contract-7500 bonus 88M MOS

So the crazier news is I Ship Out 20171024
My recruiter was surprised that I got it that early cause there is a usual 120 day hold.
Basic will be at Fort Jackson-South Carolina 13 weeks and 4 days. There's a hold over cause of vacation time.
AIT will be at Fort Leonard Wood for 6 weeks

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Congratulations!

Now your adventure begins. Fall/Early winters aren't too bad in S. Carolina. Maybe not as good as CA but better than most although most if not all BCT is in the South.

Will you be drilling with your CA Army National Guard unit between BCT & AIT?

I meant to ask you if you get in at a higher rank because of your 4 years in JNROTC. You should.

Try to stay in touch. A month to go so I can imagine you'll be busy.

Aaron.Tkill
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@MSG Glenn

I'm soooooo happy it's during winter. I will drill with my RSP unit. Which is under command of San Diego County Recruiters.
For the 4 years I signed on as an E2. Back when I was In High School it was E3. Super busy. Just got back from Reno. Had to drop off the GF there. She's going to stay there until I get back. I had to find a room where I could stay for one month, our current apt lease actually ends this 15.
So yeah just a little busy.

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"just a little busy" LOL

It's good to stay busy until you leave. When you get to BCT it'll seem mild & calm. If you believe that I have a nice bridge to sell you, LOL. Actually it's not as bad as it used to be. It's a kinder & gentler (wimpier?) Army.

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First Rsp Drill

Had my first RSP Drill this past weekend. I'm a little sore. First day there they handed out PT uniforms and just made sure paperwork was correct. Well funny thing happened. They took my weight with my normal civilian clothes on. I had on jeans, belt and NG shirt. I was a pound over weight. So they taped me. More to come on that part of the story...
So we ran the the OPAT, did that with ease, pass for my MOS. After that we did some extra PT. Lunchtime came ate MRE's. Then for us red phase Recruits we sat down and was brought on to what death by PowerPoint really meant. During the death a Staff Sgt. came to the room and had me come out. This was a formal counseling for my 1lbs over weight!!! He asked if I understood the issue and if I was going to correct it and how was I going to correct it. In my mind I was like yes not wear my belt and jeans and be in my PT uniform. What came out was Staff Sgt I understand the issue at hand I will speak to my recruiter to help me put together a PT drill just for myself. You will not have to speak to me again. That night we slept on cots, and I did fire watch for about an hour and a half before sleeping. The next day guess what happen...more powerpoints. We did also run 4 miles and did more workout routine. lol. It was a great experience and I had a blast. Little sore but happy. What also was crazy I ran in to a high school buddy, we are shipping out to the Same BCT. Not the same day unfortunately but hopefully we can somehow make it to the same platoon.

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It seems...

...you got a taste - just a taste mind you of Army BCT life. That was kind of picky of them over just one pound. When I was a weight control NCO I'd tell the "offender" to run to the farthest latrine & take a leak & if they could, a dump. Run back & get to the end of the line. I'd also tell them to remove their underwear & take everything out of their pockets. That usually did the trick.

You'll find that it's a small world. I ran into the son of an older cousin once. He was having a beer with his 1SG at a club on post at Ft. Benning. I was an instructor at Airborne School & he & his 1SG were about to be students in the next class of which I was not an instructor. He saw me first & since I was in civvies he recognized me but I didn't recognize him in uniform at first. Also the fact that the last time I saw him he was in grade school. I was overjoyed that he was carrying on a family tradition of Airborne. His dad was a Paratrooper, too.

Then there was a time when all coincidences were stretched to the limit when I met a guy at Ft. Bragg who I was stationed with on a submarine! He also got out of the Navy & eventually joined the Army like I did. I had also gone to Submarine School with him. Worlds don't get any smaller than that!