Prior Service - Denied recruitment?

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Anonymous

Hello,

First of all I was in the national guard and completed two tours in Iraq, with an honorable discharge.

I went to a local recruiter a few days back trying to find out information on 18 series, figured if I want to do something I'm curious about I got to do it soon seeing how I'm getting older (26). The recruiter told me that they were only accepting E1-E4's which is fine and I said get me demoted... She said "they" don't do that. Also, she said you need to qualify with the right MOS to enlist in 18 series... I informed her that I was also a 25F(she only saw the 11c) she told me she did not see it on her screen.. Basically I was denied for no reason I felt that they didn't even wanna see what they could do and tried to push me reserves.. Was it because they have met their quota? I am really interested in this and need answers.

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MSG Glenn
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@ jbarbagallo

I don't think I understand what the Recruiter was telling you. I know that you can't go back in if you ever were higher than an E-4. That makes sense. But the MOS required for SF is 11B. Regardless which MOS you hold or ever held you'd go to Infantry School, Airborne School, SF prep & SFAS. Some prior service are going in with the required 18X contract with the thought that they'll get washed of SFAS out & then revert to Infantry which they wanted anyhow. I think it's your rank that's holding you up. No administrative reduction in rank helps there.

The Reserves & I think the Guard are in need of Soldiers so maybe that'll be the only route you can take. Don't hold any hopes of going into a Reserve Component with the thought of switching to the Active Army. The same rules hold true as the prior service rules - 18X only & a restriction on rank.

Things will get more difficult with the ordered drawdown of the Army, no Iraq mission & a lessening of the Afghanistan mission & the civilian job market is still crappy.

jbarbagallo (not verified)
So because I've achieved E5,

So because I've achieved E5, I can't re-enlist? I REALLY don't mind being demoted to E-4 just to do what I want. What a crappy situation.

MSG Glenn
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Yes it is...

...a crappy situation. As a prior service enlistee into the Army years ago I marvel at how hard they've made it for prior service to get back in. Recruiters, as I've heard, don't even get credit towards their recruiting mission for working with them. As busy as they are it makes it inevitable that they'll blow them off without doing any research on any problem.

Another problem with a female prior service person trying to come back in is the policy that the only MOS being offered is 18X. Females can't hold that MOS so therefore they can't enlist.

From all of my time in the service I've come to the realization that almost everything can be had with exceptions or waivers. The trouble is that at this time the Army has all the recruits that it needs so that makes it hard or even impossible for anyone not meeting the exact requirements to enlist.

The Reserve Components have the most liberal policies because many units are shorthanded.

cairo2010
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might be in the same boat

MSG Glenn,

There is a good chance that the answer you have already posted applies to me as well but i'll give you my situation. I am currently in the navy right now and I have been in just over 6 years and am an E-6. Right now I do direct support for the seal teams and have deployed to both iraq and afghanistan. I have a about a year left on my current enlistment and all I want to do is join the army and go the 18X route. So now that you have my story here are my questions..

Will the 18x be available to me even if i am a prior service?

What rank will they let me keep?

Will I start OSUT at day 1 or will I get dropped in the mix at some time?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I do plan on talking to a recruiter in the next few days but I just wanted to get a warm and fuzzy before I walk in..

thanks for the help in advance

MSG Glenn
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@ cairo2010

I'm afraid that your rank will keep you out of the Army. It's getting to the point that prior service are having a hard time enlisting. What you should do is contact an Army Recruiter or liaison. You might be able to get a direct transfer if the Navy is willing to give you an early release. I can't say for certain. I only get my information second hand from a Recruiter in TX online & from those who are actually enlisting. Since I'm retired I'm well out of the loop.

I've heard that you'll start from day 1 at Infantry OSUT since you'd have to take basic again unless you're considered SpecOps. If you are then you'd start at the Infantry School phase of OSUT.

I have no idea what rank you'd go in as. I went in as an E-4 but that was after being out of the Navy as an E-6 for 14 years. The E-4 was a "temporary" rank. I was promoted to SGT E-5 after 2 months.

PLEASE come back here & let me know what the Recruiter tells you however it turns out.

I was in the Navy for 6 years before I went into the Army - UDT 21 & SEAL Team 2, Little Creek, VA. UDTR Class 22.

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I just to add to this if anyone reads it...

...if you are above the rank e-4 you can not join unless you hold like two mos's. Now I know a lot of people think agh I will get demoted but you can't. In the same rules it says you can not take an admin demotion in order to meet criteria for a mos. sorry know it sucks!

cairo2010
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MSG Glenn, It's been a long

MSG Glenn,

It's been a long time but the consensus I've been getting from recruiters is that unless your an E-4 your out of luck. I definitely understand the reasoning but I don't agree with it. It almost seems like I should have just become a POS in the navy and stay at E-4 so I can go to selection. I don't see how me busting butt to make E-6 under 6 years at the age of 25 has made me disqualified for a program that requires someone of upmost maturity and dedication. I'm hoping something changes after the new fiscal year but I doubt it.

MSG Glenn
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@ cairo2010

That's too bad. I almost said something about that. I can't remember why I didn't but I suspect that it was because I wasn't sure what the present policy was.

I was also an E-6 (EN1(SS)(DV)(P) before my 6 years were up but I was 24, lol.