NEW MILITARY POLICIES

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Anonymous

okay. This whole dont ask dont tell policy, and now women serving in combat situations. (just seen it on the news) Please please please. JUST SHUT UP! I guarantee this is all jane fonda. All this crap does is cause more problems. The military is going to ensure the success of their mission. THEY DONT HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH GAYS. AND THE WHOLE WOMEN IN DIRECT COMBAT. YOU WANNA SEE AMERICA GO DOWN? go ahead. approve these policies legislature. Your just makeing the myans right about 2012 (atleast for america)

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Roadkill
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Is the US Army so weak PFC. Means?

How is allowing homosexuals and women serve our country in combat going to cause the demise of our nation? Is our military filled with such goobers, misogynists, and homophobes that these changes in policy will send them all crying and lynching about the new recruits?

The great Israel Defense Forces have included both for decades now. Are you calling them a bunch of pansies?

I find it strange that all of the active and retired US Army folks I talk to may have their problems with homosexuality, but none doubt the ability of gays to integrate openly and for both gays and women to perform as well as any other soldier in the field. It is only the ignorant morons that haven't the spine to put themselves into service that thump their chest over women and gays that are willing to join the US Army.

I certainly have no interest in walking into the PX and seeing gay couples walking around holding hands, but I'm proud that they are helping our country stay safe and have the heart and courage to put themselves in harms way for my family and country's security.

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weakening the chain

The Army will be weakened not by the good hard working Soldiers but by the lowering of standards like allowing homosexuals to use the military as their own personal peep shows, and to push their agenda of hatred for America and their attempts to degrade society. Women will not be able to do the same work that is required of men in combat MOSs so they will be taking the place of a useful male in the MTOE. And before you start screaming that those who believe that homosexuals and women in combat are problems in the military are those who don't serve, I have 13 years in and the only reason I don't get out is cause I'm not losing my retirement over some BS, I'll finish my 7 years collect my retirement and bounce, and make sure that my kids never join and support such BS as promoting homosexuality.

PFC. Means (not verified)
Do not agree.

Okay. The Americans have had gays in for centuries, but there was never a problem with it because they never said anything. They want to come out all of a sudden? and Stir up problems, when we have many already. I dont want to be takeing a shower and have to worry about the dude stareing at my Junk hanging and soap rubbing on me when the MISSION is what is important. The whole reason they seperate male and female out of combat, or one big issue, is that Women can get pregnant. AND HOW DO WOMEN GET PREGNANT? Sexually. So saying that guys are stationed with other guys. The straight ones are worried about gays looking at them naked. AND THEY SURE HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT. I dont want to see them flying rainbows and penises on their helmets personally either.

Roadkill
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All of a sudden?

What do you mean that "They want to come out all of a sudden?" There is nothing new about the push to include gays in the military.

Do you really think the only motivation gays have to be out and open while serving is to "stir up problems?" Are you willing to never talk about your sexual preference, any girlfriends/wife you may have, or any other details that may indicate that you prefer females to males for fear of losing the job you enjoy? While I rarely mentioned any of my sexual escapades to anyone I didn't already consider a close friend, there's no way I could have made it through my years of service without ever mentioning my girlfriends/fiancee/wife or making a passing comment about my preference for females.

It is one thing to be sexually attracted to someone. It is entirely different to act upon it. The UCMJ is there to protect both men and women in service from improper activities...whether hetero- or homosexual. If soldiers aren't mature enough to keep themselves from touching another man or woman inappropriately, the MPs should grab them and send them off to Leavenworth ASAP!

Gays are already in the shower with you on post, PFC Means. They are already fighting overseas in mountains of Afghanistan. If you go about your day and don't think anyone is undressing you in their mind now, how does allowing gays be open change that?

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oh by the way

Im in the military. So before you make presumptions about people that arnt in. Why dont you realize that your behind a computer screen. And my whole PFC Means thing didnt give it away? Your ignorant. Hypocrit.

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Usernames

Logically speaking, since I do no verification of usernames, the fact you have a rank in there isn't validation of any assertion of your military experience.

Roadkill
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Thanks for the comment

Any poseur can create whatever username they want. I wonder if PFC Means is in JROTC.

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Not taking sides

Don't try to pull me into the middle of this, Roadkill.

I wanted to put that comment in there as a reminder that just because a user has a rank in the username, all visitors to the site shouldn't assume that person really is in the military. MSG Glenn, for instance, could have the username of "LittleBunnyFooFoo", but the information he shares on the the site provides evidence that even if he isn't a MSG, he knows what he's writing about on the site. I accept that he probably is/was a MSG because of the information he's repeatedly shared on Army. reinforces his username.

I added the News section to the forum because I think it is important for the site to allow an open discussion of policy and events involving the US Army. I was happy to see some debate with differing opinions, but both you and PFC.Means have acted rather petty. He marked your comment as offensive and you are getting juvenile with your insults. Let's stick to debating the issues and not calling each other names or trying to tattle that someone hurt your feelings.

Now, if the two of you will behave, I'm getting back to work on having an ASVAB sample test folks can take on the site. Coming soon!

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Technically I was an MSG then 1SG & then back to MSG when I went from the company level back to Division G-3 & then as an Active Army Advisor to a Reserve Division. When I retired I was a MSG & that's what my retired ID card says so that's what I go by. Thanks for your trust, Admin.

unsure (not verified)
Okay, question.

So, first, are women being allowed into combat situations?
And even if not, I just want to say that they should be, just because they have boobs and not a dick, does not mean they can't fight as well as men.
And, secondly, gays should be allowed to be open about their sexuality. I mean, sure it'll be weird for other soliders, but they just have to be trusted enough to respect that the other solidiers are not gay.

MSG Glenn
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All Soldiers...

...are trained for combat regardless of gender. Basic Combat Training (BCT) is the same for everyone.

However - going into a Combat Arms MOS, Armor, Artillery, Infantry, is illegal. That's not specifically an Army rule but the law. The Army has nothing to do with that. It doesn't make laws.

Do female Soldiers find themselves in combat situations? You bet!

About the closest MOS a female can have that's really close to a Combat Arms MOS is Military Police. They patrol & get into combat situations as much as an Infantryman at times. They can also be helicopter pilots & fly gunships.

Gays ARE allowed to be open now while being in our military. Don't Ask, Don't Tell has been rescinded as of a few weeks ago. It was all over the news.

Contact a Recruiter & he'll tell you about all the latest Army policies.

unsure (not verified)
Anything else

Thank you for the clarification. I just wasn't sure if women were allowed to or not. So, the Military Police would be good for a female who wants to be near the front lines, is there anything else, besides flying helipcopters and gunships?

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There are lots of jobs ...

...available in the Army. You'll find a list of all MOSs here - http://www.army.com/info/mos/all

There are no real "front lines" on the war on terrorism. The people at the World Trade center were the front line on 9/11/01. Truck drivers in Afghanistan & Iraq are on the front lines with all the IEDs planted to take them out. The Soldiers at Ft. Hood were at the front line when "Major" Hasan opened fire on them. A good mortar attack can always put garrison troops at a "safe" base camp at the front line. Snipers can put anybody at the front line. All Soldiers are trained to fight regardless of MOS or gender or assignment. As far as going on patrol then I'd say MPs can do a lot of that. They could just as easily be assigned as gate guards or working in a detainment center handling enemy detainees.

Look at that MOS list & see what you're interested in. Some MOSs are highly technical with long AITs. Some can be pure drudge work punctuated with an attack now & then. Remember - by law & not Army policy all Combat Arms MOSs are closed to female Soldiers. That includes Armor (tanks), Artillery (although there are some jobs available to females there), Infantry & Special Operations (Special Forces & Rangers). Female Soldiers CAN go to Airborne School & learn to parachute out of airplanes. Since Airborne units have all MOSs as a rule, everybody in that unit has to be able to move with the fighting force & if that means parachuting then you'll have to be qualified to do that.

Good luck & feel free to ask questions. If I don't know the answer I'll say so & not tell you any BS. All I REALLY know in the Army is Airborne Infantry.

I'm going to hang it up for the night but I usually get on at or before 0600 each morning.