Moral Waiver processing for 13 months

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Pitbull2o08
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Good Evening,

I have worked on my application for close to a year for a direct accession position. I had to submit a moral waiver for something that happened when I was 18 (now 27). DCC and BOLC were to be completed this winter and I was to report in January. I was boarded in November, and everything looked great until my healthcare recruiter told me there was a problem with my waiver. I spoke with the director of the program who also said I will not be able to make it to both DCC and BOLC and if the waiver is not completed by June, will not be able to start school and could take as long as 13 months. Whereas, prior to November, it was not an issue.

My question is, Why would one waiver need several months for a decision? Is that common? Is it a bad sign? I was told that it would not be an issue and they were 98% sure it would be granted. However, I would really like to do BOLC and DCC first before starting school.

In addition, I was told all 19 of us who are civilians, commissioning, will not be able to attend DCC or BOLC. Is this because we are all being scrolled together, and I am holding up the scrolling process?

Thank you for your time and input.

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MSG Glenn
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@Pitbull2o08

I doubt if it's you who is holding up the whole class. I'm just guessing but I think it would be more due to availability of instructors or classroom availability. It could also be that the Army doesn't have a shortage of health care Officers at this time.

The subject of waivers comes up often. Some seemingly complicated issues come fast while other "easy" waivers can take forever. I haven't been able to put my finger on it but it could be something as simple as laying on someone's desk for quite awhile & when reviewed it gets kicked upstairs to the next higher waivering authority where it sits on THAT desk... etc., etc. There seems to be no rhyme or reason. At this time of year many in the Army are on leave & that in itself might be gumming up the works.

Officer accessions are looked at a lot more closely than an enlisted one & those can take quite awhile. Not knowing too much about Health Care in the Military I know that there are some enlisted MOSs that will automatically DQ someone from getting in with that MOS if there are ANY waivers regardless what they're for.

To sum it up a long wait for a waiver isn't necessarily a bad sign.

Good luck & keep us informed. Maybe the coming New Year will be a good one for you.

Pitbull2o08
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Thank you very much for your

Thank you very much for your response. I will continue to keep a positive attitude and update here as needed.

MSG Glenn
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Thanks, Pitbull2o08

A positive attitude is always good.

Pitbull2o08
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I wanted to Clarify. My

I wanted to Clarify. My waiver is going to the secretary of the army and could take up to 9 months. Not sure if the circumstances are different because of that or if it's still up in the air.

Also, If i am commissioned to start school in June, and I do not attend BOLC, am i still eligible for promotions throughout school?

Thanks again.

MSG Glenn
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I Really Don't Know

Sorry but that's something I've never come across. First off will you receive your commission before starting BOLC? I'm not aware of the process for direct acquisition Officers. I know about OCS & ROTC & a little about WOCS. I know that a Soldier going through OCS is at pay grade E5. I think that a civilian going to WOCS is the same. I can assume that if you're commissioned as a 2LT before BOLC your date of rank & time in grade will be in effect. Something else I'm not sure about is how much time in grade a 2LT needs to get promoted to 1LT. Either 1 year or 2 years. TIG & TIS for all ranks has changed several times for both enlisted & officer ranks.

I'll make assumptions - You'll be commissioned directly upon getting sworn in. Then you'll go to school to learn how to be an Officer. Your TIG & TIS will be in effect starting immediately. If BOLC is longer that the TIS & TIG you'll be promoted.

The only directly commissioned Officer I knew was while I was assigned as an Active Duty Advisor to a Reserve Division. He was former USAF enlisted & head of a personnel department at a large corporation & was directly commissioned as a CPT. I knew of 2 that were directly commissioned as Warrant Officers due to their civilian skills at that same Reserve Division. Since then I've heard that the Army doesn't do that anymore but maybe that's changed by now. If they all had to go through schools after that I have no knowledge.

Maybe your Recruiter can give you some recent info. The Army is good at giving promotions when they're due at the lower enlisted & officer ranks. After getting past the first several pay grades then a promotion board is convened at the proper time. As an enlisted NCO my boards were "paper" boards for E6 (I had gone in as SGT E5). My appearance was not necessary until & went up for SFC E7 which I had to be present. I surprisingly didn't have to appear for the MSG E8 board. It was an emergency to get an E8 to fill a critical slot & didn't even know I was being considered until I was notified that I was a MSG. What I heard later is the board had a list of names being considered but the board didn't like any of them so my name was added. I had to appear for the 1SG E8 board, though.

Pitbull2o08
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Good Evening, I am still

Good Evening,

I am still currently awaiting my waiver signature. However, today I was made aware that the waiver is with G1 and has been since mid-January, with an estimated turn around time max of 90 days.

As far as my recruiter and my LTC I talk to is aware, I am boarded as of Nov 15 and scrolled or in process of scrolling in, pending this waiver.

BOLC is to start March 14, so I am PRAYING that I can get this waiver signed soon and request order through USAREC and make BOLC. Otherwise, they said I can report in June to start school, without attending BOLC. My fear, with reporting in June and skipping BOLC is in 2 main attributes...

1) I want to be the best at everything I do, it's just in my blood. I don't think I can be an effective student soldier by learning Army routines on the fly, maintaining physical fitness as well as gaining doctoral level education and meeting those stringent demands in the class room.

2) I am afraid that my promotional opportunities will be hindered during school, since BOLC would have to be completed afterwards. As of right now, I am planning on turning this into a 20+ year career. If i am unable to make CPT and then LTC after school, I will be losing money I should have earned, and possibly limiting my retirement by not gaining rank as quickly as I would have, had i attended BOLC.

I have made these concerns clear to LTC, he states I can start Jan 2018 if I miss BOLC this year, and also that I still might be able to start in June, miss BOLC AND be able to be promoted. I believe it would take an awful lot of work form my LTC to "lobby" for me each board meeting to rank up with my peers who would have attended BOLC. However, my understanding is Doctors and Nurses often get promoted without BOLC, so it's not unheard of.

As of right now, this is the hardest thing I've ever had to do... wait. I'm very type A and very motivated. Waiting while I am missing DCC, and possibly missing BOLC which could hamper my entire career is very very nerve racking. I have been in constant communication with my healthcare recruiter as well as the LTC with no new updates until today. I did some research and believe "G1" is a three-star General. No one is sure if he will sign it or if it still needs to move down the line. The hardest part is not knowing if I'll start next month, June, or next year because this has been my dream since I was 19. Writing all this out has been fairly cathartic, but I'm hoping I can gain some valuable insight with your input.

Thank you,
-Pit

MSG Glenn
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@Pit

It sounds to me that things are moving along, a bit slow but at least moving. I have no idea how skipping BOLC only to take it later will affect any promotions. If I were a betting man & if I had more knowledge of the subject I'd bet that promotions won't be delayed. It's usually time in grade, time in service that determines promotions not to mention performance. At the enlisted level at performance includes marksmanship & APFT score. I wouldn't expect it to be any different in the commissioned ranks. A hard charger like you shouldn't have any problems there, nor would graduating high in your class. In any case I'm pretty sure you'll be promoted with your peers. However, that's something that's not stored in my knowledge locker. I do know that promotions usually catch up eventually. Before 20 years you'll be at the rank you should be. Although I was enlisted & it may be different I caught up & surpassed many of my seniors & found myself in charge of NCOs who were in charge of me earlier in my career. Many retired as SFCs & if I could have stayed in the Army for a longer period of time my promotion to E9 was assured.

The "G" designation means it's in a unit commanded by a General. A smaller unit under that is designated as "S". G1 being Personnel. The G2 is Intel, G3 is Plans & Operations, G4 is Supply & Logistics, etc. That would be the designations used in a Division. In a Brigade & Battalion it would be S1, S2, etc. I myself was usually in G3, even when I was an Active Army Advisor to a Reserve unit. My direct superior was always a COL.

If ever given a chance go to Airborne School & every hard-corps school you can get to. I don't know what opportunities you'll have in the Medical Field but there has to be Medical Corps Officers in Rangers & SF. I know there are in Airborne units.

Again - good luck & continue keeping me updated.

MSG Glenn
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I just thought of something...

I had a neighbor who lived down the street from me. He was an MD & in the Army National Guard. It was a requirement for him to serve. He was later notified that he didn't meet the requirement of serving a certain amount of active duty time & was asked to pay off his loan or go on a few years of active duty. He could choose his branch. They all needed Docs. He opted for the Navy. I lost touch with him but the last thing I heard he switched to the Regular Navy from Active Duty Reserve & plans on staying in until retirement, LOL. Those many years ago he had reached the rank of LtCmdr (O4). The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Pitbull2o08
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SUCCESS

Waiver approved on Friday!

School starts 6/19.
Scrolled back in November (pending Waiver)
Commissioning as 1LT on Tuesday
HOPEFULLY Cutting orders next week or Monday after.

....cutting it very close to school start date.
On a side note, do you or any one happen to have a webpage with the ESSENTIALS to know for new officers/Army personnel in general? I'm starting school, and I have not gone through BOLC or know ANYTHING about Army life. How to salute, speak, dress, etc.

Thank you!

By the way, I have tried to reset my password several times because I do not remember it. The link I am emailed to reset it keeps stating that I need to provide my username. There is no sport for that. Only email and new password.

MSG Glenn
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GREAT News!

Congratulations, Eltee! That was well worth the wait.

I'm not an Admin on this site so I have no idea how to reset a password or user name. Perhaps someone who knows can inform you although you're on & evidently good to go.

As far as a site that teaches you Army things I suggest using a search engine. YouTube might also be a good source. A Recruiter can get you squared away, too. Many Recruiting Stations have Future Soldier classes that you could attend. Basic Army etiquette like saluting, facing movements (attention, parade rest, left & right face, etc.) & basic marching are fairly easy to learn. I'm sure the Army will ensure that you know all that stuff so you don't cause any heart attacks to senior Officers who you fail to salute, LOL. As I understand it BOLC is sort of a basic training for line officers. Those Officers in specialty jobs (ie: Medical, Health Services - other than Combat Arms, etc.) will still learn all of that but a lot isn't real, real necessary. The Army will have to have something in place that teaches you the basics of being a Soldier. It can't happen that a 1LT doesn't know how to salute or march, LOL. The enlisted folks would have a a ball with that especially if you were a 2LT, LOL. 2LTs in Combat Arms have the luxury of having their Platoon Sgts to teach them. I've run many a 2LT through the learning phase of how to be a PL. What they learn from books & in classes is good but hard to relate to any real life Soldiering as a leader.

A word of advice - treat your Soldiers well. Most of them will have more experience than you but the buck still stops with the Commissioned Officer. I remember a 2 star Gen. telling new LTs to the Division that their NCOs will make them rich men if they follow their advice. I happened to be in the area when he called me over & explained to them the experience & time in service I had. At that time I was a new SFC (E7) & Platoon Sgt. with about 9 or 10 years in the Military. One of those Officers became my Platoon Leader. Our Colonel introduced us & told him that the Academy, ROTC & OCS were fine but the real learning is from those that had actually been there & did that & that he was sure I'd keep him out of trouble since everything was his responsibility.

I want to wish you the best of luck in your new career. Try to stay in touch as much as possible & I'm always here to give you advice.

Pitbull2o08
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Thank you so much. I greatly

Thank you so much. I greatly appreciate your advice.

I was given Army Officer's Guide, by Col. Robert J. Delessandro, USA (RET) and it has been enlightening and has taken a lot of stress away with regard to jumping into this head first.

The most common word of advice I have been receiving from friends whom are in the Army as well as those within forums, is to listen to the NCO's. I have heard that more than 10 times now and will be heading that advice most generously.

I want to thank you again. I will update soon.

-First Lieutenant

MSG Glenn
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It won't be...

...long now. One week from the time I'm typing this. Don't get too worried about butterflies in your stomach. Those make you sharper. I've had plenty of them in my career. I got so I welcomed them. I'm one who resigned myself to the fact that I don't like change even if it's for the good. If I had a so-so senior I was glad for a change when he got transferred but worried about what I'd get, LOL. After I was promoted to MSG & then laterally to 1SG I didn't worry too much about that, LOL. (I reverted back to MSG when I was reassigned from company 1SG to Section Chief in G3 in a SGM slot as an acting SGM & then as an Active Duty Adviser to a Reserve Division until retirement) By the way - that Reserve unit was 1 mile from my house in Milwaukee, LOL.

Again - I want to wish you the best of luck & God's blessings. I also thank you in advance for your service, 1LT Pitbull, Sir!

Don't forget - the 1st salute you get from an enlisted Soldier gets a silver dollar! Better start finding one before you leave, LOL.

Stay in touch when you can if you can, please.

phoenix 1-3
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Congratulations!

Congratulations, Pitbull!

I am going into a similar situation (dealing with getting a waiver) and I have been reading about your situation. I am happy to hear that you received yours and extended congratulations on your commission. It is good to know that they are still issuing them, and well deserved by accounts of your posts.

Wish you all the best in training and school completion and thank you (in advance) for your service. I hope you return to update on your progress.

Good hunting.

-Phoenix

MSG Glenn
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@Phoenix

Welcome to the site & good luck with getting your waiver!

As you've seen, waivers are possible & I expect them to get easier as time passes & the Army is rebuilding its strength. I'm sure by the time recruiting season slows down by this fall & early winter - from about Thanksgiving to a couple weeks into January they'll be even easier. At this time with the recent graduations Recruiters are pretty busy & they'd just as soon blow you off if you have an issues other than what a fast recruitment will offer them. Anyhow that's how it's been for years & if you've already started the enlistment process you should be okay but a waiver might take some time.

Good luck & keep us updated!