Moral waiver

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Mdsn7397
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2 years ago I was arrested for possession of marijuana and parifanalia the possession of marijuana was dropped. Am I still eligible for a waiver. I have been talking with a recruiter and have passed my ASVAB and physical and started the waiver process but I am just feeling a little nervous.

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MSG Glenn
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@Mdsn7397

I wish you the best of luck!

If your Recruiter isn't worried then you shouldn't be, either. If he's submitting a request for waiver then he must feel that it's very possible. I assume he feels that you have a good chance.

It seems there is no rhyme or reason with the waiver process. I'm sure glad I don't bet on the outcomes, LOL.

From my experience & everything I've been told this is the best time of the year to enlist especially if you need a waiver. Recruiting has always been the slowest at this time of year. That means that Recruiting Districts might be fall short of the recruiting mission. Recruiters have more time to spend on individual recruits. Following that reasoning then the people that decide the waivers will also have more time. It seems to be all in your favor.

Have you selected or settled on an MOS or which ones you'd like to get? This would be a good time to start a physical conditioning program. Even non-Combat Arms MOSs require a certain degree of physical fitness. Besides it's always best to be able to pass the PT test when you start BCT. Don't let the DS be the one to get you up to speed, LOL. I have a saying that's worked well - let the morning PT be the highlight of your day at BCT & after, LOL.

Keep me updated please!

Austin78745
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Sorry to hijack your thread.

Sorry to hijack your thread. I'll start a new one if I need to. I've been trying to get a moral waiver since 2008 with no luck. No recruiter I've spoken to wants to even try putting a packet together for me. I have 1 major misconduct from 1998 (felony). I've always been told that those waivers were no longer being processed. I think I can present a pretty good case for a waiver. I have not been in any other kind of trouble, I have about 40 college credit hours, recently earned my EMT certification and am currently enrolled in the Paramedic Program at a local college. I'm not a thief, a liar, a drug dealer or a rapist. While my felony is a major misconduct, it's not an automatic disqualifier for a waiver. Do I need to start talking to different recruiters until I find one that's willing to put together a packet for me or am I just SOL? Thanks for any help. Good luck.

MSG Glenn
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@Austin

The last information I received says that no felonies will be allowed to be waived. With the promise of a build-up of our Military it's possible that a waiver will be possible in the future. About 9 or 10 years ago there was a great need for more Soldiers & some felony waivers were granted. Our Military has been greatly depleted in the last 8 years so there might be some hope for you.

Good luck!

Austin78745
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@MSG Glenn

That's what I'm hoping for. I've been at this for a long time and haven't been able to give it up. Do you have any suggestions for anything I can do to build a better case for myself? Thanks for your help.

Luis_L
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Waiver

Just wanted to say my moral waiver for a felony charge was approved this week, just have to be patient and work with your recruiter in the process!

MSG Glenn
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@Luis

Thanks, Luis & there you have it, Austin. There is hope for you. Just keep trying.

This is exactly what I've been told - the time between Thanksgiving & mid-January is the best time for enlisting because it's the slowest period for Recruiting. Many Recruiting Districts are short of their recruiting goals & waivers can be granted easier to fill the amount of recruits they need to make their mission. Recruiters are generally slow & can spend more time on individual recruit prospects. That goes for the authority that grants waivers, too. The absolute worst time to enlist is around the time high schools & colleges graduate. It usually lasts through summer before it slows down.

If you don't mind me asking, Luis, what was the felony? I know some are unwaiverable regardless of the time of year or whether many recruits are needed. I believe drug felonies is one of them & maybe any type of theft, DV or violence. Could be wrong, though.

Congratulations! What MOS do you want?

Luis_L
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@MSG Glenn

My waiver was approved pretty fast actually, It was sent in on December 21th and approved on January 9th! I expected it to take months, I'm really glad it didn't take long.I'm a senior in highschool so It was kind of stressing not knowing whether I'd get in.

The waiver was for a burglary charge and criminal mischef, It was a juvenile charge.
As for my MOS I think I want to go for Infantry or Calvary Scout, I'm not really sure because I want to go to college for Computer Science later on and there are some good tech careers in the Army that could give me experience. I'm actually heading to MEPS today so I'll update once I've officially enlisted!

MSG Glenn
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Luis -

You'll have a little time before you ship to BCT or OSUT. Personally I'd pick Infantry because that was my main MOS. I wish I could have gotten to you before MEPS but if you're not fussy about what you get then it's no loss. I think you have more options for training in Infantry but it would be Airborne School & Ranger option. The last I heard that the Rangers & Airborne School were not admitting anyone that required a waiver of most any kind. My son was Infantry in a Ranger Battalion & I was Airborne Infantry. His Recruiter offered him Cav Scout at first with the thought that he could apply to try out for the 75th Ranger Regiment. A little research showed that the Rangers didn't have Cav Scouts. A man to man talk with his Recruiter showed him to be a liar or at best incompetent so he un-recruited him from his contract & then he had to wait for a slot at Infantry OSUT, Airborne School & Ranger Indoctrination & Selection (now known as RASP) so he got into the Army a little later than he hoped. The wait was worth it because it resulted in a Ranger contract.

I'm looking forward to learn how things turned out for you.

Luis_L
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Hey, I got back from MEPS yesterday but was way too tired out to update. I was not able to get a slot in Infantry which kinda sucks but I did enlist as a Calvary Scout. My contract is for 4yrs and I got a 3000$ bonus with it, I'm not too bummed out about not getting Infantry though just glad I'll be able to serve and I also had some interest in Cav Scouts. My recruiter was also a Cav Scout so that will be helpful in gaining some insight on it. I'll be going to Fort Bennings for BCT and OSUT in August, gotta prepare well!I'm just happy I got to this point since getting the waiver was the biggest part.

MSG Glenn
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That's Great, Luis!

The Cav Scout MOS is similar to Infantry. Most Infantry don't necessarily walk much, either but their job is to find the enemy & destroy them whereas your job will be to find the enemy & send some tanks or aircraft (or whatever is available) after them. A Scout of any kind doesn't want to be discovered. That would only alert the enemy & there could be no surprise attack.

Your Recruiter will be able to tell you a lot more than I can about 19D. I think I only met one in my whole career being Airborne Infantry.

It's good that you're getting a $3000 bonus. My son was offered $2000 for 3 years. That was another reason he didn't want 19D. He wanted 4 years. He got $5000 for a 4 year + training time Ranger contract. It was about an additional 5 months. He got another good bonus, $10,000 I think, by transferring to the Reserves after his active duty time but before he actually left active duty the contract had to be written & signed. Made SSG on his way out & now he's a SFC with about 13 years total service. He dreams of being a MSG or 1SG & he'll be young enough to make SGM or CSM, outranking me LOL. He wants to do a minimum of 20 years & stay in as long as he can. He's a cop & the PD allows him to take time off for Reserve drills & pays him for 10 days when he's on annual training.

Get involved with the Future Soldier Training Program. Your Recruiter will tell you about it. Upon completion you'll go to OSUT as an E2. Hopefully your Recruiter will give you some good PT. It's always best to go to OSUT being able to pass the APFT, especially in Combat Arms.

Good luck, Luis! Updates, please!

Luis_L
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I could have gotten a 6 year contract with a 5000$ bonus but I don't think I should be making such long commitments yet. Maybe once I see how the military life is, I will. Also wow, that is a nice bonus for joining the Reserves.I think I would like to do at least 10 years in the Army but you never know I might make the whole 20, lol. I'd also like to join law enforcement after doing my service, how old is your son?

I will make sure to get myself in the best shape possible, no slack! I will make sure to post updates.

MSG Glenn
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Luis

My son will be 32 this year, Luis. He wants to get on our Tactical Enforcement Unit, what we call SWAT. So far his 5 phases of testing has him leading in all events except the stair climb which he & another candidate tied. All he has left is the interview. They were told in the beginning that it will remain a secret as to how many slots are available so assume there's only one & act accordingly. He wanted TEU all the while but he had to be on the department for 3 years starting after the academy & his field training with an FTO. He sure wants to get there while he still has that Ranger edge although he trains each day the same as when he was on active duty as a Ranger. During the interview he'll be able to tell all he did & what he was trained in while he was in the 75th Ranger Regt. He was a Breacher, a Master Breacher & went to jump school, Air Assault School, Ranger Indoc. & Ranger School plus a lot of leadership courses & Instructor courses. The PD also sent him to a bunch of specialized training like Crime Scene Technician & even a Detective course. He was the only uniformed officer there.

Once you hit that 10 year mark you might as well stay in for 20. You're half way there already & you'd be surprised how fast time will go. I served for 27 years combined with my Navy (6 years) & Army (21 years) time with a large break in service between them & it seems that it was only yesterday since I first signed up. I was very active in both & that makes time go fast. The good news - no PTSD (that I know of) & no nightmares. Being in specialized highly trained units is supposed to help with that. It's always wise to take a shorter enlistment as the first one. You never know if you'll like it. Unit of assignment has a lot to do with that. If training is good, leadership is good & you like your team mates & battle buddies it makes it great. Being busy all the time helps, too.

"Blessed is the recruit who doesn't need his Drill SGT to get him up to proper PT shape" LOL.

I'll hold you to your promise of updates.

Sr1ck
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Same story for me

I am currently 30 and i have been trying to get in since i was 20. i can not find anyone that is willing to work with me. i also had a friend that got in because his recruiter actually put in the time for him and made sure he got in. Then he was shipped out. but before he was shipped out i went to try myself with him and was getting close at least i think i was getting close. He told me that he left my paper work with his colleges and that they will take care of me but once he left the pretty much laughed at me in my face. i have been out of trouble for the past 15 years now and am still going to keep trying until i can not try no more. Is there anybody in New York that is willing to help me out. I would at least appreciate the help the effort from you and yours.

By the way, congratulations on getting into the United States Army Luis

MSG Glenn
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@ Sr1ck

Recruiters might be avoiding you because they know that you have a very slim chance of getting a waiver. All I can say is keep trying. The Army is increasing manpower by 28,000 soldiers so depending on the amount of people wanting to enlist the standards might be lowered.

Good luck!

Colin
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Trouble

Sr1ck,

You say you've been out of trouble for 15 years, but what was the "trouble" you were in?

If it's a felony (even a minor one), those are almost always automatic disqualifiers (except for a small window about 10 years ago). Like MSG Glenn says, there may be another window opening up soon, but it depends on what sort of trouble you had.

Mdsn7397
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Finally completed interview

Finally completed interview and I return to MEPS to swear in Tuesday

MSG Glenn
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Congratulations Mdsn7397!

Now you'll begin your journey to become a Soldier. I wish you the best & I hope you enjoy your service in the Army as much as I did.

muji8u
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Sorry, don't mean to hijack

Sorry, don't mean to hijack your thread but had a question. How long did it take you guys to get your waivers approved? My recruiter submitted my request on 5/1/17. Just want to know a good time frame. Thanks!

MSG Glenn
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@muji8u

I haven't heard back from them but I know that the waiver process can take a very short time or much longer. I've know of some "easy" waivers taking forever while those I thought didn't stand a chance of being approved took a short time for approval. A lot depends on how high up the chain it has to go & how busy the various approving authorities are. Someone on the low end of the chain might not be able to get at it for awhile & when he reviews it he finds that he has to send it to someone higher. Waiting for records or other data can also take time.

I have a feeling that waivers are going to get easier to approve now that the Military is building up its manpower.

Most posters that have to get a waiver have a tendency not to come back here if the waiver is not approved.

Maybe your Recruiter has some ideas.

Good luck!

muji8u
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@MSG Glenn

Thanks for the reply. From what it looked like to me, my recruiter knew what he was doing. He had me complete the online packet, putting all my related charges up there.First i went to take my asvab and scored an 88 and got 120+ on each composite score. after that i went for my physical and passed that as well. The doctor there recommended i got the police reports and court documents, get my character references and an employer to write a statement. I had to write the statement as well. My recruiter got all of the paperwork required(police reports,documents, and statements) and send them all out on 5/1/17. At first he mentioned that it shouldn't take more then a couple days, but a week later he mentioned that they could take a couple weeks. I also currently live in denver, colorado, and saw that there was a usarec battalion here in denver. Not sure if that info would help.

Thanks again for your help.

p.s also most of the recruiters in the station had a good feeling about it being accepted. I've always wanted to join but my parents were against it. Since i got those misdemenors it's been difficult finding a job, and i really want to do something with my life instead of just sitting around and being a leech to society.

MSG Glenn
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If the Recruiters...

...are confident then I think you'll be okay. They're the ones who have seen many waivers being approved or disapproved.

I don't think being close to Battalion would speed things up. Maybe it helps. It depends on how busy the approving authority is.

Again - good luck & continue with the updates.

muji8u
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Spoke to a captain

I Spoke to a captain for an interview regarding my charges. My recruiter said that it'll go up to the battalion commander and might have to go to usarec. Hopefully the battalion commander can make the decision and i can be shipped off asap, if not i'll make sure to keep on updating you guys with this process.

MSG Glenn
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@muji8u

That's the way it goes more often or not. If the CPT isn't sure he's qualified to approve it or he feels he's doesn't have the authority to approve then it's kicked upstairs. Of course it sits on his desk for a few days until he gets guidance & then moves it up where it sits on his desk & so on.

I appreciate the update.

muji8u
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Another Update!

took me a while to find this forum post again lol but I got an update for anyone else following this. Received an update from my recruiter this past monday 06/05/2017. My waiver got approved and just waiting on the doctors to clear me on psychiatric due to the amount of violations. My Recruiter has a good feeling about it being approved from the doctors as well and his 1SG is preparing my paperwork for me to go in this Friday or early next week to take my oath of enlistment.

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That certainly...

...sounds good. If the Recruiter AND his 1SG feel good about it then it's a really good sign. After all - 1SGs are NEVER wrong, LOL.

muji8u
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Yep!

Lol, now i just have to decide on an MOS. My asvab scores were high enough to qualify me for every position for a recruit. Now I'm looking for an MOS thats related to cyber, tech, or tech engineering that does not require a clearance. I'm happy enough that I will be joining soon, but my recruiters doubt I will be able to get a clearance. Do you know where I will be able to find a list of MOS and clearance levels required for that MOS?

MSG Glenn
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I'm sure...

...your Recruiter has a list of MOSs that require a security clearance as well as other requirements needed. You could try a Google search, too. Since he told you that you probably wouldn't be able to get a clearance he probably has a knowledge what the requirements are or has access to an up to date list. The trouble with using a search engine is the fact that much of the info is outdated but it should still give you a good idea. (as a side note a few years ago I had a heated argument on another site with someone who told me my info was wrong because he had Googled it, I forget exactly what it was about, I think going in with a Ranger contract. He went to a Recruiter with his MOS choice & was told the same thing I told him, LOL. Things change)). I can imagine that most tech MOSs require a clearance. I'm pretty sure that Combat Arms MOSs (Infantry, Artillery, Armor) don't require a high clearance, at least for initial entry. The MOSs I held in the Army were Public Affairs & Combat Photographer, Communications with Infantry as my primary, all Airborne. I needed a Top secret clearance when I was promoted to SFC.

Let me know what your Recruiter tells you.

muji8u
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Character Disorder Unspecified

I just received the letter stating that my character Disorder has disqualified me permanently. My question is would it be possible to get a medical waiver regarding the character disorder? I already got accepted through usarec for that waiver, would medical waiver regarding this disorder be possible?

Edit: This is regarding my past law history, which was during a span of a month, and a couple of traffic violations through throughout the years

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I feel...

...that in almost all cases permanent means permanent. Run this past your Recruiter & see what he thinks. He can re-initiate a request fora med waiver if he thinks it might work. Almost anything is possible especially when the Military has been ordered to increase it's size.

Good luck & keep me advised of progress or lack of progress.

muji8u
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I'll definitely keep on

I'll definitely keep on updating on here for anyone following. I was just surprised that it was accepted through USARec but not through medical. Hopefully we can do a medical waiver. WIll update as soon as I get one.

MSG Glenn
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Ask your...

...Recruiter if there's any documentation you can present to Med. Anything that can be documented that you're "cured" although I doubt if you'd have any. Anything that shows you sought to take care of your "problem" from a Doc or Psych & you were found to be back in the human race, LOL. Maybe something from a judge or law enforcement. I don't know if that's even possible, though. Just grabbing at straws.

Your Recruiter has time invested in you & might be able to suggest something.

muji8u
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well....

not all hope is lost. Currently my recruiter's 1st Sgt is working on reversing the decision.. Recruiter did suggest I might have to do an in person Mental Eval. interview, Which I'm perfectly okay with. He notified me this last Monday. Guess I'm going to have to continue playing the waiting game till a final decision has been made.

MSG Glenn
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@muji8u

Like you say - all hope is not lost. When Top gets involved things get done, LOL.

Keep the updates coming! I'm pulling for you & wish there was something I could do from my end.

Luis_L
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BCT

Not really an update but I'm leaving in less than 2 weeks for Basic, time has gone by pretty quick and I'm excited to begin my career in the Army soon! :) I'm physically ready, but I will definitely get better during Basic.

MSG Glenn
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@Luis

If I don't hear from you before you leave I want to wish you the best of luck!

The only advice I can give you is eyes & ears open, mouth shut while at BCT.

An update on my son - he was promoted to SFC in January. He reenlisted in the Army Reserve for an indefinite length meaning that he can serve as long as he wants until retirement & he upgraded his position on the Police Department to Tactical Enforcement Officer which is what we call SWAT. A fitting job for a Ranger, LOL.

Again - Good luck!!