Moral waiver

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Mdsn7397
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2 years ago I was arrested for possession of marijuana and parifanalia the possession of marijuana was dropped. Am I still eligible for a waiver. I have been talking with a recruiter and have passed my ASVAB and physical and started the waiver process but I am just feeling a little nervous.

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MSG Glenn
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I wish you the best of luck!

If your Recruiter isn't worried then you shouldn't be, either. If he's submitting a request for waiver then he must feel that it's very possible. I assume he feels that you have a good chance.

It seems there is no rhyme or reason with the waiver process. I'm sure glad I don't bet on the outcomes, LOL.

From my experience & everything I've been told this is the best time of the year to enlist especially if you need a waiver. Recruiting has always been the slowest at this time of year. That means that Recruiting Districts might be fall short of the recruiting mission. Recruiters have more time to spend on individual recruits. Following that reasoning then the people that decide the waivers will also have more time. It seems to be all in your favor.

Have you selected or settled on an MOS or which ones you'd like to get? This would be a good time to start a physical conditioning program. Even non-Combat Arms MOSs require a certain degree of physical fitness. Besides it's always best to be able to pass the PT test when you start BCT. Don't let the DS be the one to get you up to speed, LOL. I have a saying that's worked well - let the morning PT be the highlight of your day at BCT & after, LOL.

Keep me updated please!

Austin78745
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Sorry to hijack your thread.

Sorry to hijack your thread. I'll start a new one if I need to. I've been trying to get a moral waiver since 2008 with no luck. No recruiter I've spoken to wants to even try putting a packet together for me. I have 1 major misconduct from 1998 (felony). I've always been told that those waivers were no longer being processed. I think I can present a pretty good case for a waiver. I have not been in any other kind of trouble, I have about 40 college credit hours, recently earned my EMT certification and am currently enrolled in the Paramedic Program at a local college. I'm not a thief, a liar, a drug dealer or a rapist. While my felony is a major misconduct, it's not an automatic disqualifier for a waiver. Do I need to start talking to different recruiters until I find one that's willing to put together a packet for me or am I just SOL? Thanks for any help. Good luck.

MSG Glenn
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@Austin

The last information I received says that no felonies will be allowed to be waived. With the promise of a build-up of our Military it's possible that a waiver will be possible in the future. About 9 or 10 years ago there was a great need for more Soldiers & some felony waivers were granted. Our Military has been greatly depleted in the last 8 years so there might be some hope for you.

Good luck!

Austin78745
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@MSG Glenn

That's what I'm hoping for. I've been at this for a long time and haven't been able to give it up. Do you have any suggestions for anything I can do to build a better case for myself? Thanks for your help.

Luis_L
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Just wanted to say my moral waiver for a felony charge was approved this week, just have to be patient and work with your recruiter in the process!

MSG Glenn
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Thanks, Luis & there you have it, Austin. There is hope for you. Just keep trying.

This is exactly what I've been told - the time between Thanksgiving & mid-January is the best time for enlisting because it's the slowest period for Recruiting. Many Recruiting Districts are short of their recruiting goals & waivers can be granted easier to fill the amount of recruits they need to make their mission. Recruiters are generally slow & can spend more time on individual recruit prospects. That goes for the authority that grants waivers, too. The absolute worst time to enlist is around the time high schools & colleges graduate. It usually lasts through summer before it slows down.

If you don't mind me asking, Luis, what was the felony? I know some are unwaiverable regardless of the time of year or whether many recruits are needed. I believe drug felonies is one of them & maybe any type of theft, DV or violence. Could be wrong, though.

Congratulations! What MOS do you want?

Luis_L
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@MSG Glenn

My waiver was approved pretty fast actually, It was sent in on December 21th and approved on January 9th! I expected it to take months, I'm really glad it didn't take long.I'm a senior in highschool so It was kind of stressing not knowing whether I'd get in.

The waiver was for a burglary charge and criminal mischef, It was a juvenile charge.
As for my MOS I think I want to go for Infantry or Calvary Scout, I'm not really sure because I want to go to college for Computer Science later on and there are some good tech careers in the Army that could give me experience. I'm actually heading to MEPS today so I'll update once I've officially enlisted!

MSG Glenn
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Luis -

You'll have a little time before you ship to BCT or OSUT. Personally I'd pick Infantry because that was my main MOS. I wish I could have gotten to you before MEPS but if you're not fussy about what you get then it's no loss. I think you have more options for training in Infantry but it would be Airborne School & Ranger option. The last I heard that the Rangers & Airborne School were not admitting anyone that required a waiver of most any kind. My son was Infantry in a Ranger Battalion & I was Airborne Infantry. His Recruiter offered him Cav Scout at first with the thought that he could apply to try out for the 75th Ranger Regiment. A little research showed that the Rangers didn't have Cav Scouts. A man to man talk with his Recruiter showed him to be a liar or at best incompetent so he un-recruited him from his contract & then he had to wait for a slot at Infantry OSUT, Airborne School & Ranger Indoctrination & Selection (now known as RASP) so he got into the Army a little later than he hoped. The wait was worth it because it resulted in a Ranger contract.

I'm looking forward to learn how things turned out for you.

Luis_L
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Hey, I got back from MEPS yesterday but was way too tired out to update. I was not able to get a slot in Infantry which kinda sucks but I did enlist as a Calvary Scout. My contract is for 4yrs and I got a 3000$ bonus with it, I'm not too bummed out about not getting Infantry though just glad I'll be able to serve and I also had some interest in Cav Scouts. My recruiter was also a Cav Scout so that will be helpful in gaining some insight on it. I'll be going to Fort Bennings for BCT and OSUT in August, gotta prepare well!I'm just happy I got to this point since getting the waiver was the biggest part.

MSG Glenn
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That's Great, Luis!

The Cav Scout MOS is similar to Infantry. Most Infantry don't necessarily walk much, either but their job is to find the enemy & destroy them whereas your job will be to find the enemy & send some tanks or aircraft (or whatever is available) after them. A Scout of any kind doesn't want to be discovered. That would only alert the enemy & there could be no surprise attack.

Your Recruiter will be able to tell you a lot more than I can about 19D. I think I only met one in my whole career being Airborne Infantry.

It's good that you're getting a $3000 bonus. My son was offered $2000 for 3 years. That was another reason he didn't want 19D. He wanted 4 years. He got $5000 for a 4 year + training time Ranger contract. It was about an additional 5 months. He got another good bonus, $10,000 I think, by transferring to the Reserves after his active duty time but before he actually left active duty the contract had to be written & signed. Made SSG on his way out & now he's a SFC with about 13 years total service. He dreams of being a MSG or 1SG & he'll be young enough to make SGM or CSM, outranking me LOL. He wants to do a minimum of 20 years & stay in as long as he can. He's a cop & the PD allows him to take time off for Reserve drills & pays him for 10 days when he's on annual training.

Get involved with the Future Soldier Training Program. Your Recruiter will tell you about it. Upon completion you'll go to OSUT as an E2. Hopefully your Recruiter will give you some good PT. It's always best to go to OSUT being able to pass the APFT, especially in Combat Arms.

Good luck, Luis! Updates, please!

Luis_L
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I could have gotten a 6 year contract with a 5000$ bonus but I don't think I should be making such long commitments yet. Maybe once I see how the military life is, I will. Also wow, that is a nice bonus for joining the Reserves.I think I would like to do at least 10 years in the Army but you never know I might make the whole 20, lol. I'd also like to join law enforcement after doing my service, how old is your son?

I will make sure to get myself in the best shape possible, no slack! I will make sure to post updates.

MSG Glenn
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Luis

My son will be 32 this year, Luis. He wants to get on our Tactical Enforcement Unit, what we call SWAT. So far his 5 phases of testing has him leading in all events except the stair climb which he & another candidate tied. All he has left is the interview. They were told in the beginning that it will remain a secret as to how many slots are available so assume there's only one & act accordingly. He wanted TEU all the while but he had to be on the department for 3 years starting after the academy & his field training with an FTO. He sure wants to get there while he still has that Ranger edge although he trains each day the same as when he was on active duty as a Ranger. During the interview he'll be able to tell all he did & what he was trained in while he was in the 75th Ranger Regt. He was a Breacher, a Master Breacher & went to jump school, Air Assault School, Ranger Indoc. & Ranger School plus a lot of leadership courses & Instructor courses. The PD also sent him to a bunch of specialized training like Crime Scene Technician & even a Detective course. He was the only uniformed officer there.

Once you hit that 10 year mark you might as well stay in for 20. You're half way there already & you'd be surprised how fast time will go. I served for 27 years combined with my Navy (6 years) & Army (21 years) time with a large break in service between them & it seems that it was only yesterday since I first signed up. I was very active in both & that makes time go fast. The good news - no PTSD (that I know of) & no nightmares. Being in specialized highly trained units is supposed to help with that. It's always wise to take a shorter enlistment as the first one. You never know if you'll like it. Unit of assignment has a lot to do with that. If training is good, leadership is good & you like your team mates & battle buddies it makes it great. Being busy all the time helps, too.

"Blessed is the recruit who doesn't need his Drill SGT to get him up to proper PT shape" LOL.

I'll hold you to your promise of updates.