Moral and Medical Waivers

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tevans
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Hello. I am 18, straight out of high school and looking to join the military in a job that would need a Top Security Clearance.
I have spoken to both the Air Force Reserves and the Army Reserves in regards to recruitment.
When I was 15 years old, I was arrested for Battery/Assault/Criminal Damage < $1000. However, no charges were filed nor was anything else filed. I was detained for 2 hours, spoke to a counselor, and then got to go home with no follow-up.
I have disclosed this to both of the recruiters; however, the AF is telling me I need a moral waiver. The Army advises I do not need a waiver, and that if I decide to attempt to use a waiver, it will screw me over because all branches can see if I get denied.
I set up a meeting to meet with my AF recruiter next week.
Does anyone have any information about why I would need a moral waiver for one branch and not the other?

Additionally, I have quite the medical history in regards to surgeries. I have been cleared by all my doctors since 2016 though. The Air Force is once again advising I need a medical waiver for this as well. But the Army says I do not. Any suggestions on this?

Thanks in advance!

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MSG Glenn
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@tevans

Each branch of the Military has its own recruiting policies. Those rules can change due to shortages of people. When troops are needed it's easier to get in. The USAF seldom has problems recruiting new Airmen so they can have tighter recruiting restrictions.

It's true that all branches can see the MEPS results. You'll have to decide what you should do. This time of year, from about Thanksgiving until about mid-January is traditionally the slowest period for Army Recruiting. That makes it easier to enlist with any "problems" & waivers are normally easier to be accepted. I can't think it's any different with the other branches.

Good luck! Let us know what happens.

krammer439298
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I have 14 1/2 years in the reserves. Had a DUI misdemeanor while I was an E4 and later promoted E5, 3 years later after completed a tour. I have 3 years of active service during the reserves and currently serving with a secret security clearance. The DUI was over 8 years ago. I am 37, always veen in uniform.and on time, passed PT test every time and always first time go before and after DUI. I have two over seas tours in combat zones and 7 natural disaster missions. After I received the DUI the Army National guard did nothing, they only asked I took care of it and I did, then pressed forward like everything else. The DUI misdemeanor was the only one and was over 8 years ago. I want to go active Army for the remainder of service. What is my chance of being accepted?

MSG Glenn
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First off, thanks for your service.

I'd say your chances of acceptance is better now than what it was a few years ago but you'll have to see an Active Army Recruiter to find out anything. There are many variables besides a need for a waiver. Your MOS, rank & if your unit will let you go if the Active Duty Army accepts you.

It's quite a few years since I've heard about the procedures of going active from the Reserve Components. They were quite strict at that time & the only MOS you could get in was 18-series Special Forces & you couldn't be over a certain rank. I'm sure that's been changed a long time ago. Also all prior service (I'm pretty sure that's what you'll be classified as) had to take BCT except prior SpecOps of all branches. Policy changes more often than some change their socks it seems. It's possible that I may find out about those changes but it's also possible pigs will grow wings & fly. I used to have a few buddies who were on recruiting duty in my area & they were all too glad to keep me in the loop, especially after I paid for the coffee but they've all been transferred back to the Big Army or even retired some time ago.

I would sure appreciate it if you would come back here & let us know what a Recruiter tells you. This has been traditionally the best time of year to see a Recruiter because from Thanksgiving until mid-January is their slowest so waivers sometimes are easier to get approved.

Contact a Recruiter right away & good luck!

krammer439298
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I will

I will, supposed to know by this Tuesday evening. Gave the recruiter everything and I have the conditional release already from the commander to go full time. I wrote a letter of hardship to get the release and wrote a statement on my behalf of everything I told you and more for the decision makers. I hope it goes well, will see Tuesday. My heart is in it and would not be right to turn me down.

MSG Glenn
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Again -good luck!

Just in case - have you researched the possibility of becoming a full-time Reservist/Guardsman for your unit? I know slots are competitive but when I was an Active Army Advisor to a Reserve Division we had quite a few. We had Reservists who were civilian employees, some who were full-time Reservists & those from the Active Duty Army running the division during the daytime. I retired from that position & was offered a civilian slot. Sometimes I wish I would have taken it. The HQ was a mile from my house & if I live to be a 100 I'll never figure out what the Army was thinking when I was transferred there. Usually a person like me would have to go to Alaska, LOL.

krammer439298
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Well, I want to go active

Well, I want to go active duty for the move. Take me and my family elsewhere and have the active duty life style and privileges. Going active Guard is dead last option because all slots are full unless I go in as a recruiter and wouldn't have to come into an office. Work remotely with required production met. I looked into it too but the Active Army is all I want.

MSG Glenn
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AGR Slots...

...are always full. The AGR Soldiers I worked with at the Reserve unit were always looking over their shoulders because they knew if they goofed up or pissed somebody off their contract wouldn't be renewed & there were 5 candidates waiting for a slot, LOL. It might have been political, too for all I know. Knowing the right insiders was a plus.

What is your present MOS?

krammer439298
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12 Romeo

12 Romeo

MSG Glenn
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RE: 12R

Do you work as an electrician in your civilian job?

krammer439298
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I did for 4 years with a

I did for 4 years with a couple of companies

krammer439298
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so far nothing heard yet but

so far nothing heard yet but may be because they have waivers to be processed and they are doing them in the order received. I talked to other recruiters and they don't see a problem with me going active so we'll see what happens soon. Hopefully by Monday next week. That would mean it went a week to get appro ed for the moral waiver

krammer439298
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so far nothing heard yet but

so far nothing heard yet but may be because they have waivers to be processed and they are doing them in the order received. I talked to other recruiters and they don't see a problem with me going active so we'll see what happens soon. Hopefully by Monday next week. That would mean it went a week to get appro ed for the moral waiver

MSG Glenn
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The hardest part...

...is always the waiting.

krammer439298
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I have not heard anything yet

I have not heard anything yet and it was sent for approval the week before last on Thursday. I haven't received any phone calls for an interview and my references haven't heard anything either. I have documents to show that I was an E4 during the time I had the DUI and promoted to E5 3 years later after returning from Afghanistan, getting the nco of the quarter award and receiving my college degree after that. I asked around at my old unit and received some more papers. If I gave extra to the recruiter now after everything has been sent up for approval, would it be too late or slow things down?

MSG Glenn
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It wouldn't hurt...

...to give your Recruiter anything that you have. I had gone to a promotion board for SFC & included a copy of my private Detective license & Advanced Class Amateur Radio license. They talked about them & asked questions & seemed impressed. I even was given a Commo school & an additional MOS in Commo after I received my promotion which helped at the MSG board. My 1SG told me to include anything of a positive nature so I did. Always listen to Top, LOL.

krammer439298
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Good point. I don't want to

Good point. I don't want to slow the process olwhile I am waiting to hear on the moral waiver after they s7bmitted for it already but I can't stand by in idle either. I have everything from kindergarten, to high school, to first enlistment, up to now. All records. The recruiter don't have everything but he will tomorrow after 2. Hope it's not too lathe knows I'm coming tomorrow with more stuff so I hope it helps.

MSG Glenn
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I'd give him...

...a call first. Have all the info ready but he would be the one to know if it would do any good or if it's too late to submit it.

krammer439298
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I texted him and said ok to

I texted him and said ok to bring them in the afternoon. He wouldn't waste my time to stall if he wasn't work on me would he?

krammer439298
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I think I have been approved

I think I have been approved for the waiver. No word yet just catching hints from one of the recruiters. Possibly go right into an MOS without school. Prior electrician, weapons loader on air craft. Both have formal training and certifications from military. Might even pick a base. No concrete answer yet. Will know soon

MSG Glenn
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Things seem...

...to be moving right along. Maybe you'll receive a fine Christmas present from the Army.

krammer439298
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hope so

hope so

krammer439298
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Should be in by February or

Should be in by February or March. Things moving and important people talking. Holidays have some people off but there is always someone there.