the MAVNI program

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bozkurthatay
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I am really interested in joining the Army. I have a F-1 visa and currently attending college. I meet all the requirements that is listed in the MAVNI program. But I am little confused about the "valid status" part. The MAVNI programs says that "The applicant must have been in valid status". Well, I technically meet that requirement. My visa in my passport is already expired but I am still staying here legally because my I-20 is still valid. But I talked to a recruiter on the Facebook page of the Army, and he said that I must have a valid visa, and his answer just made me confused. Maybe he thought that I am no longer staying here legally because my visa expired. I even talked to my recruiter and he said that I am fine with my valid I-20. Now I am not sure which one is correct, my recruiter or the recruiter on the Facebook page.
That's the Facebook page link.
https://www.facebook.com/USARMY09LTRANSLATOR

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Colin
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Citizenship

I have no knowledge on the specifics, but I do know that you must be a legal resident to enlist - check out http://army.com/info/usa/citizenship for more specific information.

In general, I would listen more to the recruiter who is actively working with you rather than someone on FB who may or may not be entirely aware of your specific situation. If you don't trust the recruiter your working with now, find another one.

bozkurthatay
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I actually trust my

I actually trust my recruiter. What I am afraid of is that they may have lack of information about this program because this program is really new. I'll just do all the process and see what happens.
http://www.defense.gov/news/mavni-fact-sheet.pdf

mmaslyanko
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an answer for you

"Valid status" implies that you continuously maintained F1 status for at least two years without interruption of the status. Visa expiration does not matter - the I-20 is the most important document for you to have, as well as I-94 form. You passport cannot be expired though.. Your VISA can be expired, but not the passport. As long as your I20, I94 and passport are good - you are good.

The things that will cause rejection of the application is falling out of status (if you had to apply for reinstatement of the F1 visa, for example).

As far as the statement about your legal presence in the country, there is the difference between "visa" and "status". The fact that your visa is expired, does not mean that you are illegal. Since your legal status - F1 - is linked to your maintenance of your student status, school attending, etc, as long as you are keeping it up, you are fine. Visa is only for travel purposes. To become illegal from the F1 status you would have to either stop going to school, get expelled, or graduate and fail to apply for a new I-20 someplace else.

yst2013
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MAVNI Inquiries

Dear Sir,

I've recently turned in my MAVNI application to the local US Army recruiter's office. The sergeant told me it will takes approximately 2-3 weeks for them to hear back from the USCIS after they mail it. The USCIS will check my current immigration status in the US whether is legal or not. Once the they verify my status, they will inform the local recruiter asap. Then, the local recruiter will schedule tests such as ASVAB, Language Proficiency (if apply as a linguist for specific listed language) MEPS, and other required documentations and background check.

I'm not too concern about my legal status because I have all the documents to prove that I'm a legal non-resident who is currently on Optional Practical Training (OPT) and under F-1 visa. My foreign passport just got renewed and it's valid, as well as my I-94.

My questions are:

1). What would be the minimum score I should get for ASVAB test?
2). What are the things that would be check during MEPS or Physical Test?
~ If I have some minor knee issues, would that affect my eligibility to
be enlisted into MAVNI program?
~ If approved medically by a legit medical doctor, can a enlisted soldier
wearing appropriate knee brace during 10 weeks basic training?
3). During the basic training, are the physical training standards/limits
such as sit-ups, push-ups, and running will based on the individual's
age group or all candidates have to meet the same time limits even
he/she might be older than the majority?
4). As for the naturalization part, does the individual have to pay the
application fees out of his future month paycheck or the US Army /
US Military will taking care of it?

I have more questions but will leave it for the next post.

I'm looking forward your responses.

Thank you very much in advance!

Sincerely,
YST

Colin
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Answers

1) The minimum score you need to enlist is 31, but your options for MOSs will be severely limited. Study as much as you can, the higher your score, the more options you have. More information and practice tests here: http://army.com/info/asvab/general

2)MEPS will be checking for all sorts of physical problems - here is a list of potentially disqualifying conditions: http://army.com/info/usa/physical. MEPS will also be where you finalize your MOS, and take the actual ASVAB.

3)Plenty of info, as well as actual requirements (which vary by age and gender): http://army.com/info/apft/basics

4)I have no idea, but my guess would be you are completely responsible for being a naturalized citizen. The Army probably won't pay for any of it.

yst2013
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RE: MAVNI

Dear Sir,

Thanks a lot for the prompt response! Those are very helpful information.

Physically, I think my height and weight fits the requirements fine after checking the website you've provided.

However, I do need some suggestions/advises from you if possible. What would be your recommendation for non-athlete individual like myself who is preparing to be enlisted to become physically fit in order to get through/pass all the exercises (push-ups, sit-ups, & running) requirements/standards? Recently, I barely started training myself on running 2 miles within 15 mins but still struggling a little bit to reach the goal. My best running record so far is 1.43 miles in 15 mins. I'm 33 years old this year. I'm not sure running 2 miles within 15 mins limit is the standard requirements for US Army or not. If not, please verify/clarify it for me.

I seem to have tough time training on sit-ups and push-ups honestly. I've tried to watch some YouTube bodybuilding videos, but still having hard time to do more correctly and up to the speed.

For those who apply for MAVNI cultural languages instead of health professionals, do they have to deploy overseas as well or they are mostly being placed within the U.S.? On top of the translation (language) jobs, if I already have a master degree in a specialist field such as Instructional Technology, do I also eligible to apply the field that I'm interested to work in the military after I completed the 10 weeks basic training? Are they entitled to advance to an officer position in near future at all?

I'm sorry for the many questions I have.

Thank you very much again!

Sincerely,
YST

Colin
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Ask your recruiter!

Regarding your physical condition - what has your recruiter said? A lot of recruiters will have physical training (PT) for potential enlistees to make sure that you are able to get through BCT.

Here are some tips, though:

For running, go for distance before speed. Try to run 1.5-3 miles without stopping. When you can go the required distance (without stopping), then start timing yourself. Your pace at the beginning will be slow, in order to make it the required distance - that's fine.

If you can't do more than 2 or 3 regular pushups, start doing pushups against a table or desk. It will be a bit easier, and you can do more of them. Also "grease the groove" - do 5 (or 10, or whatever) whenever you walk through a door, or go to the bathroom, or whatever. You want to get used to doing these throughout the day. Don't go overboard, though.

For situps, if you have a big gut they will be more difficult. If you can't do that many situps in a row, there are two things you can do. "Grease the groove" (just like with the pushups), and lay flat on your back, straighten your legs, and do leg lifts instead. They work a similar muscle group, and maybe a bit easier to do. If you can't lift your legs while they are straight, bend your knees a little. If you're doing a lot of leg lifts, don't forget to keep working on situps - you'll have to do them in BCT.

I have no idea about the MAVNI questions - although be aware that anyone in the Army can (and usually are)deployed overseas at some point. Talk to your recruiter.

yst2013
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Thanks for the info!

Hi Sergeant Colin,

Thank you very much for the very helpful information provided! I really appreciate it!

What would be the best way to prepare for ASVAB? How long or what is the time frame would you recommending the potential candidates to prepare prior to the actual test day?

Any other physical training prior to the enlistment or 10 weeks basic training would you recommend to me?

Mentally and physically, what would be your recommendations to me as a MAVNI applicant? Any advises/suggestions?

Thank you very much for your professionalism, helpful resources and patience.

Warm regards,
J.

Colin
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ASVAB

First off, I'm a civilian - so no rank, please!

ASVAB Prep: Start now. There is no time 'to soon' to start studying for the ASVAB. The ASVAB AFQT score determines whether you can enlist, and your general ASVAB score determines which MOSs you qualify for. You only get one shot at the ASVAB (at MEPS) and if you don't score high enough to meet your preferred MOSs requirements, too bad. We have a wealth of practice materials and two practice tests here. We also have two other practice tests at our sister site, CollegeEducation411.com here and here.

Between now and when you ship our for BCT, any physical training is beneficial, as long as you avoid injury. Be active!

There are plenty of other threads here and across the internet about BCT - I don't have any specific experience with the MAVNI program, so I don't know if that would change anything

yst2013
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MAVNI program and Higher Education background

Hi Collin,

Thanks a lot again for the helpful information! Apologize for the rank thing.

I've obtained both B.Sc. and M.Ed. degrees from U.S. accredited private/public institutions. On top of that, I have a number of years of working experiences in the instructional technology and design/instructional system field. With that, what type of jobs would I be able or expecting (or available) to get/apply after I completed the MAVNI Basic Training besides the cultural language that I applied for?

When exactly the MAVNI program will be closed officially for the one started in 2012?

After it closes, will it be opened again? If yes, do you by chance have a confirmed date at all?

What/which official website has the latest and most reliable updates about MAVNI program?

What are the rules/regulations when a soldier injured during their basic training? Will he/she get kick out of the program immediately?

For MAVNI program, do they eliminate people easily during basic training if they do not meet certain requirements? What's the bottom line on that?

Thank you very much!

Sincerely,
YST

Colin
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ASVAB and BCT

I believe the jobs you qualify for depends solely on your score on the ASVAB.

ALL your questions about the MAVNI program should be directed to a recruiter.

As far as an injury during BCT - if the injury isn't severe to warrant a medical disqualification from the Army, I imagine you would just recycle back to the beginning of the phase (Red/White/or Blue) that you were on when you got injured. If the injury is severe, you may be medically DQ'd from serving in the Army.

MSG Glenn
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@ yst2013

As with any physical training start off slow. You certainly don't want to injure yourself before enlistment.

What I recommend to all who are trying to bring themselves to a better physical condition is to start off running every other day followed immediately by 2 minutes of push-ups & 2 minutes of sit-ups. That's the way the APFT is administered. On non-running days continue doing PUs & SUs. Also on those days do some other cardio-enhancing exercises like long hikes, swimming, biking or maybe some weight work. Do everything gradually. While watching TV do push-ups alternating with sit-ups every time an ad comes on. If you feel pain other than the normal & expected stop the exercise immediately. You should be able to tell the difference between normal pain due to exhaustion & an actual injury. Be sure that you have good running shoes. Don't go cheap on those. Your feet, legs, hips & back can really be stressed & injured with the right shoes.

Above all study for the ASVAB. Many with college degrees don't do too well with the mechanical portion. You don't have to be a master mechanic but you'll still need some knowledge of it.

ryo
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Hi Sergeant Colin, I'm

Hi Sergeant Colin,

I'm interested in being a linguist, but seems chinese language is closed, do you have any idea when it will open again? And for the physical test, even female need to do push ups and run a long miles?

Thanks

Colin
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Answers

1) I've mentioned above that I'm not a sergeant. If you don't know someone's rank, don't address them with a rank.

2) I have no idea when it will open again. A recruiter may know, but they also may be in the dark.

3) Men and women both must complete the same events for the Army Physical Fitness Test, however the minimum requirements are less for women. You can look at the scoring here:

http://army.com/info/apft/scoring

yst2013
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MAVNI Inquiries

Hi Colin,

Good day to you!

I may have asked this question before but I would like to re-confirm again.

Does the assigned Drilled Sergeant for the Basic Training would allow trainees to wear knee brace if he/she needed to? What about non-medicated pills for heart-burn such as alka seltzer fruit chews or similar pills? If not, would it be possible to have the primary doctor to write a prescription or letter to support the need of those items?

Thank you very much!

Sincerely,
yst2013

Colin
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BCT

I don't know about the knee brace - ask your recruiter.

As for the heartburn pills, I imagine all medication will be dispensed by the medical personnel at BCT. If you require frequent or constant medications for anything, talk to your recruiter before you go to Meps to make sure it isn't a disqualifying medical condition.

ralizadeh
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Some questions

I went to the local recruiter's office yesterday, and he started working on my application. I'm going to take the ASVAB test next Wednesday . I just have some questions that came to my mind after I left my recruiter's office. Would you mind if you answer all or some of these questions?
I have three degrees, bachelor in physics, master in physics, and master in civil & environmental engineering with more than 200 course credits. I was just wondering what would my situation be in the army through MAVNI program as you answer the following questions:
- Will I be an enlisted? in this case, what would be my army enlisted rank with my the three degrees and having over 200 course credits? ... any chance of being a specialist (E-4) or higher?
- Will I be on active duty or army reserve? in either case, how long?
- If active duty is the case, how can I continue my education if I want to go for a higher degree (PhD) later on? will I be allowed to back to army reserve at least for a while for that reason?
- Will Interpreter/Translator (09L) be considered as my chosen MOS? if this is the case, what's the use of ASVAB score then? I know the minimums score as is 50, but I'm talking about any score over 50. Any score over 50 doesn't change my MOS option (since my MOS has already been selected as Interpreter/Translator (09L) through MAVNI program)?
Sorry for many questions.
Thanks in advance and have super-sparkly day!

Colin
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MAVNI

I want to preface all these answers by saying that I don't really know anything specific about the MAVNI program. I'll still try to answer these questions as best I can.

- Unless you go through Officer Candidate School (OCS) you'll be enlisted. You will probably get promotion points for your degrees, but I don't know the specifics. Ask your recruiter - he should have a better idea of your rank progression.

- Active or Reserve depends on what you sign up for when you sign your contract. All initial enlistments are for 8 years, although not all of that will be active duty - the remainder will be in the Reserve. More info here: http://army.com/us-army-reserve

- I don't know if you'll be able to get your PhD while Active Duty (since that is a fairly involved degree) but there are certainly many education benefits that you can use after you get get out. Check out some of the information here: http://army.com/school/intro.

- I don't know any specifics of MOS choice in the MAVNI program. Even though you won't have any other MOS choices, I believe you'll still have to take the ASVAB (or at least the AFQT portion).

ralizadeh
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Thanks for the quick reply.

Thanks for the quick reply.

SF
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MAVNI

Hi!
I have some questions about the program.

1) I live in Russia and want to go to US army. I know that now i can go as linguist, but i'm not sure. Different sources give different info.
2) Which kind of visa should i take, if my only purpose of visiting US is attending to MAVNI program?
3) Are there any special requirements for citizens of Russia?

Colin
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MAVNI

Take a look at this PDF - this is the best info you can get about the MAVNI program. It also has a link where you can contact someone to get even more info:
http://www.goarmy.com/content/dam/goarmy/downloaded_assets/mavni/mavni-l...

george
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MAVNI

Hello I have three questions
1, I came to US at 8/19/2011 as a student. Can I apply for MAVNI before 8/19/2013.I can hit the two year period during process.
2, My I-20 ends at 8/31/2013. I know I need to stay in status in more than 3 months so I applied OPT. Is it OK while my OPT is pending?
3, I am a Chinese native. Can you tell me how many spots does Chinese have and how many spots left now?
Thank you so much.

MSG Glenn
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@ george

Those questions are best asked to a Recruiter. He has access to all of the regulations which change all the time. None of us on this site are active Army & therefore pretty much out of the loop.

george
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@ MSG Glenn

I am the first MAVNI case that my recruiter has. So pretty much he is in the darkness as I am. That why I want some help from someone who knows the program and can give me some answer.

Colin
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MAVNI

Unfortunately, I don't know that much about MAVNI - and I think MSG Glenn is in the same boat. If your recruiter doesn't know about the program, maybe he can point you in the right direction for someone who does know about the program.

It seems like he should at least have that information - it is his job, after all.

engelsama
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MAVNI

I just found out about the MAVNI program and after going through the qualifications for the MAVNI Language Program, i wish to find out if am eligible. I have been in the USA for 15 month and only got an asylee status about 2 months ago. I wish to find out if am eligible to apply for the MAVNI Language Program. I will be grateful for a respond from you.
Thanks

Colin
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MAVNI

If you've read this thread, you know there's a lot about the MAVNI program that we don't know - your best bet to find out if you are eligible is to talk to a recruiter!

MSG Glenn
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@ engelsama

I personally don't know a thing about the MAVNI program & I'll bet very few Recruiters do, either. They have the advantage of having the resources to find the information about it, though. We don't.

Good luck!

pollyivy
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I-20

Hi, I am an international student that stayed in U.S about 5 years. But last two years, I went back to China to study one year, then return to my U.S University to continue to finish my degree. Does it affect me to apply the MAVNI?

Colin
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MAVNI

No idea - there's not much information online about the MAVNI program. You should get in touch with a recruiter, and then come back and let us know what you find out!