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bradleytjohnson
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Hi, I'm a Junior in High School and interested in joining the army when I graduate high school. In the future I'd like to do SF, for now though I would really like to get into the rangers. Can I still do the option 40? is the 14 month senior program still going on? Can I join? I just found out about it today. What exactly is it?

If I got an 1800 on my SAT, would I be all set for the ASVAB i need a GT score of 110 for rangers and SF.

I've taken several ASVAB tests but I'm not sure how to grade them. If I got a 90% on it, what would that translate into as a score. I know they don't take questions wrong into consideration with the ASVAB. So let's say I got 27 questions right, there were 30.

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MSG Glenn
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@ bradleytjohnson

I can address some of your questions. I'm sure SSG P, our resident Recruiter can answer most of them.

When you go to MEPS to choose your enlistment contract you can either get a Special Forces 18X contract or a Ranger Option 40 but not both at the same time. In my opinion you'd have a better chance of getting through Ranger training (BCT/AIT/OSUT, Airborne School, Ranger Assessment and Selection Program) than getting through SF selection (Infantry OSUT, Airborne School, Special Forces Assessment & Selection, Qualification Course, Language School, 18-series MOS school). That's IF Option 40 contracts are available for the MOS of your choice. I also believe that you have to be 19 or 20 to apply for Special Forces. You can become a Ranger & apply for SF sometime during your enlistment or as a re-enlistment option.

As far as I know the 14 month delayed entry program is still in effect. I would take advantage of it if I were you. It still might take a while until the contract you want is available. That can change monthly, especially around June when colleges & high schools graduate. There are many who want Infantry, Airborne, Ranger or Special Forces. It might be a good idea if you were to contact a Recruiter soon & at least get the ball rolling. Normally you can be in delayed entry for up to a year but now they've extended it to 14 months just for people in your position. It's a great program.

You can never prepare yourself too much for the ASVAB. The scores you're getting on practice tests appear adequate but those reflect the score on that particular test. The ASVAB is graded on a percentage of those taking the test in that time period, something liking grading an exam on a curve. If you get 50% on the test but it's the highest score of all who took it you'll have in effect a 100%. You'll still need a GT score of 110 real points, not graded on a curve. As you've found out the ASVAB includes many non-academic tests like mechanics & reasoning. I've know of some college graduates with a high GPA that didn't do too good on the ASVAB. They didn't know a wrench from a screwdriver or anything about practical electricity for instance. When you meet with a Recruiter he'll probably give you a test to see where you're at. If you score too low on the practice test given by your Recruiter chances are he won't work too hard getting you a contract that requires a high score & GT. Most people score a little higher on the real ASVAB at MEPS.

My recommendation -

Go for an Option 40 Ranger contract (you're probably too young to get an 18X). Choose an MOS that has an Option 40 available, not necessarily Infantry. The 75th Ranger Regiment has many MOSs but stay away from 19-series, Armor & Cavalry. The 75th doesn't have any 19 MOSs. The operational MOSs in the Rangers are 11B/C (Infantry), 13F (Fire support Specialist) & 68W (Medic). There are many support MOSs, even Cooks & Truck Drivers. They'll go on missions at times if there's a need for an extra couple of shooters.

Contact a Recruiter soon.

Study for the ASVAB.

Get yourself in supurb physical condition. You'll need at least a score of 270 to qualify for the Rangers. Higher, up to 300, is much better. You'll also need to be comfortable in the water - not necessarily a world-class swimmer but capable of swimming for your own safety.

Good luck!

bradleytjohnson
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Thanks for your information,

Thanks for your information, I called a recruiter to set up an appointment today. We didn't talk about special forces but we did talk about the 14 month senior program. He said I can still do it.

I will look into the mechanical and electrical stuff. As you stated that is my downfall lol.

I've practiced for the fitness test and I can get a 300 on it easily. I'm actually training for UofL's ROTC program right now just in case I want to do that instead, getting a perfect score on that is pretty damn hard. I need to do a 4:47 mile, ouch!

I will look into the "11B/C (Infantry), 13F (Fire support Specialist)" thanks for the recommendation.

MSG Glenn
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Good luck bradleyT

If there aren't any Infantry or 13F slots with an Option 40 available find out if there are any other MOSs that do. If your main goal is to get into Special Operations that might be the only way. I know a young man who found that the only opening with an Option 40 was Truck Driver. That was a couple of years ago. He's having the time of his life & will soon reclassify to Infantry. He almost didn't take the Truck Driver slot. He's glad he did now.

There may even be some Intel MOSs open. I really can't keep track because availability changes fast & there are times when no Option 40s aren't available for any MOS. If that's your goal then wait until something opens.

There's one more possibility - try to get a plain Infantry contract. Airborne Option 4 would be ideal. There's a slim chance that volunteers for Ranger Selection might be sought while in OSUT. The Drill Sgt has to give his recommendation & of course it'll be the best recruit he has that get the nod. If there are 3 slots at RASP available the ones who scored the best academically, proficient in Soldier skills & the highest APFT scores will be chosen. This can also happen in Airborne School. The chances of this happening depend on the needs of the 75th Ranger Regiment & open slots at RASP. That's the only time RASP Instructors will be looking for volunteers.

As with anything in the Army it's always best to have it in writing in your contract. The rest is up to you to pass selection. Contracts only give you the opportunity but if you don't pass then you're SOL. Without a contract then the opportunity might never happen.

bradleytjohnson
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I'll keep that in mind, I

I'll keep that in mind, I didn't know you could change your MOS.

So if there's a cook ranger slot, once I re-enlist I can go for a infantry ranger slot.

Yes I would love to do special forces someday, I realize my chances are slim though but if all I got stuck with was being a ranger I would still be a happy camper.

thanks for the info!

MSG Glenn
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Reclassifying to another MOS

You can reclassify if the MOS you hold is overstrength & the MOS you want to reclass to is understrength.

Many SF Soldiers had their start in the Ranger Regiment. Even those who came into SF from civilian life or from a non-Ranger unit will go to Ranger School for the additional training. There's a lot of cross-breeding between Rangers & SF. A Ranger has a much better chance of getting through SFAS.