Join with a Felony?

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can i join with a felony of poss of stolen goods?

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MSG Glenn
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Felony

The answer is no. At this time the Army is no longer waiving any felonies. Even misdemeanors are not getting many waivers.

Maybe you'll have a chance sometime in the future when civilian jobs are more plentiful & the Army needs more Soldiers.

Ashleyn2008 (not verified)
join?

charged wit simple assault on school teacher in 2008

MSG Glenn
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Not Sure

I really can't say if that is a disqualifying offense but my guess is that it would be. Misdemeanors are possible I think. Felonies aren't.

A Recruiter can tell you. It'll probably require a waiver & those are hard to get these days. The lines at the Recruiting offices are long, many want to enlist & the Army can afford to recruit only those without issues.

Call a Recruiter to be sure. Then come back here & let us know what he said.

Good luck.

magthias2005 (not verified)
Can I join the military?

I was wondering if I would be able to join the army? I just recently had a domestic abuse assualt that was defered to a simple misdeamnor that is now expunged, as of June 22. I was told that since it was a defered judgement that I wouldnt fall in to the laundenburg amendment. I was wondering if I this was correct or not.

MSG Glenn
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Possible But Difficult

Even with an expunged record the Army will find it. Be very truthful when filling out any questionnaire that addresses that subject. If you lie about it it will be found out & then you'll be permanently DQed from enlisting. It doesn't make any difference if you don't fall under the Lautenberg. You'll still require a waiver & those are hard to get even if the Army doesn't DQ you right from the start.

Juvenile,expunged & dismissals are all available to Recruiters.

I advise seeing a Recruiter & tell him that right away. You might save yourself & him some time that way.

Come back here & tell us what he says. I imagine that when the economy picks up & civilian jobs are more plentiful the Army will start allowing more to enlist.

JoshuaHall (not verified)
Joining with a felony record of vehicle theft

I was wondering if i can join with a felony CA PC 426 vehicle theft because i believe the army can turn my life around.....

Roadkill
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If you can read

If you read the other replies to this forum post, you'd have your answer:

The answer is no. At this time the Army is no longer waiving any felonies. Even misdemeanors are not getting many waivers.

MSG Glenn
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No? How Often?

How many ways do I have to say "no", right Roadkill?

Same goes for GED without 15 college credits. The Army just isn't accepting those people now.

jackietom (not verified)
can i change my RE- code?

I received an administrative separation from the navy. As it stands, I am ineligible to re-enlist in the military because of my RE-code. How can i go about getting my RE-code changed?

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RE Code

I don't think you can. Why not ask an Army Recruiter if he ever heard of anyone doing that successfully?

I've heard of discharges being upgraded so maybe it's possible after all. There are always ads for attorneys in Army Times offering their services for upgrades. I imagine that could be costly.

What is your RE code? What brought on the administrative discharge? Do you have an Honorable DC or a General Under Honorable Conditions? Are you totally out of the Navy & not in the IRR - in other words finished with your total military obligation? If it was because of some legal trouble you got into while in the Navy I'm sure the Army would treat that the same way as it treats civilian offenses & those types of waivers are hard to get. Possibly if it was something like a Captain's Mast it could be expunged or overturned but that record could still be retrieved by the Army & would more than likely require a waiver.

Have you seen an Army Recruiter? As busy as they are these days they might not even want to bother talking to you knowing the extra work you would generate for them & after all that still be DQed. They could probably bring 3 without issues into the Army in that same time. They'll probably blow you off without looking into your situation very carefully however they know what'll fly & what won't.

jackietom (not verified)
Well in legal, right before

Well in legal, right before my 25hr greyhound bus ride home... Legal gave us paperwork, and said each of us had a 2year window to possibly change our RE-code. After that 2 year window closed, your RE-code is permanent.
My separation (not discharge) was for erroneous enlistment. Enlisting with a disqualifying factor that I wasn't previously aware of. I was only at Great Lakes RTC for a month, two weeks of training and two weeks waiting around in a separation division.
The disqualifying factor was alcohol abuse...(drinking back in college). And having borderlines traits (anxiety).
There are 7 months left in my window, I would like to change my status for the record because i disagree with the evaluation. I will probably make contact with a recruiter but I wanted to see if I could do it myself instead of taking up their time.

MSG Glenn
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Even if you get your RE code

Even if you get your RE code changed your offenses will still be in your record. I wouldn't even doubt if those offenses were on NCIS, surely local, so there wouldn't have been a whole lot of digging required by the Navy Recruiter to find that & either turn you down for enlistment or get you a waiver if one was required.

If I were you I'd contact a represenatative of the Navy, maybe start with a Navy Recruiter or even call a JAG at a Naval Station (Great Lakes?) & ask what has to be done. Start on that right away because you don't have much time left.

Have you talked to an Army Recruiter at all? Maybe he'd even be willing to help you. I have no idea. I know if I was a Recruiter I wouldn't give you the time of day. You've already lied to a Recruiter.

When you see an Army Recruiter I hope you learned your lesson & you're absolutely honest this time. Like I said before - they'll find EVERYTHING you've done & that's why I'm surprised your Navy Recruiter didn't find that out. Frankly if I were a Recruiter I wouldn't even take a chance & bother with you. They have plenty of prospective recruits that have no issues whatsoever & your biggest offense to date was lying during the recruitment process. I wouldn't trust you not to to it again.

jackietom (not verified)
I was absolutely honest when

I was absolutely honest when i met my recruiter. "Have you ever been drunk?" was not on the questionnaire or in any other of my recruiters questions. I have never been diagnosed with anxiety or in trouble with the law at all, with alcohol or other. I do not consider myself a current or previous alcohol abuser, which is why i want to change my RE-code.
Thank you for the help, despite your personal opinions.

MSG Glenn
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No Record?

If there's no record anywhere of that ever happening then you shouldn't have a problem. The only problem I can see is your RE code. If you can get it changed then go for it & good luck in the Army.

Have you seen an Army Recruiter yet? He might be able to help you or at least give you some idea of how to upgrade your RE code.

It's not a personal opinion of mine. I'm telling it like it is from a Recruiter's point of view. With all of the people wanting to enlist in the Army he's not hurting for prospects & doesn't have to deal with anyone with issues. That's what he'll see in you. I imagine the Navy is even more selective than the Army. A little over a year ago along with the Air Force they were asked to downsize a little with the extra military manpower goingh to the army & Marine Corps so maybe the RE code will not be as big a factor to the Arrmy.

A-Lerma (not verified)
Juvenile misdemeanor

I live in El paso TX. I been wanting to join the army for a while now, the only thing stopping me is a few misdemeanors but from when i was juvenile. What i dont understand is that when i was living in new Mexico 1 year ago. I had no problems getting in. Dint get in cause i was not sure of it "if u must know". So please MSG. Glenn can u help me out. Cause the way i look at it the recruiters just dont wana bother with me. But could it really be that theres difrent rules in every state, i tought it was all the same around the country?

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Different Rules?

The only time there are different rules is between the Army & the Army National Guard. Since the Guard is under state control there could be some slight differences in enlistment standards.

There are some instances that when a certain recruiting area is below their recruiting mission & sometimes waivers are easier to get to enable them to meet that mission.

If Recruiters don't want to bother with you that tells me that they have plenty of prospective recruits without any issues at all.

I advise waiting until near the holiday season & try again. That has been traditionally a slow recruiting time. With the economy & civilian job market maybe it won't be. Back about 6-7 years ago when my son tried enlisting in the summer he couldn't get the Infantry/Airborne/Ranger contract he wanted. That didn't become available until January & then he even got a bonus for Infantry, Airborne School & Ranger Indoctrination Program along with a seasonal bonus because recruiting was slow then. I can only go by past history. I have no idea how slow they'll be this year/early next year.

Keep trying. Maybe you'll get lucky getting a Recruiter with time on his hands & is willing to work with you. Right now he has no time & consequently unwilling to work with anyone with issues. He's still working on the list of June graduates.

jbeale09 (not verified)
felonies

Well that bites...I need some direction in my life.The numbers of waivers wasn't too bad in 2008..but oh well...I hope the economy picks up or something...let this be a lesson to anyone who is being influenced by people they shouldn't

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That's absolutely correct,

That's absolutely correct, jbeale09.

Everything that you did wrong in the past can come around & bite you in the ass one way or another.

eddie031485 (not verified)
Dont you think that the

Dont you think that the sentence served and all the changes that it took for people to straighten out is enough of a bite in the ass. Seriously, people make mistakes especially when they are younger. The only mistake is not learning from it. They need to ease of on 1 time offenders like myself. I cant even get a real-estate license.

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Not According to the Army

The Army can afford to take only the best & brightest regardless of what you or I "think". There are people with squeaky-clean police records being turned away for one reason or another. As long as the civilian job situation is at it is now the Army can DQ anybody they want to. Then you have to consider that the Army has been ordered to cut their manpower by 50,000 Soldiers over several years. They can be very selective as who they allow to enlist. If they don't want to take a chance on anybody they don't have to. The Army should never be considered a second chance organization. That's not their business these days, & very seldom in the past.

sbh504 (not verified)
What about a waiver for skilled people?

Ten years ago I was a practicing licensed clinical psychologist in the state of Virginia. I treated nearly exclusively adults with depression and anxiety disorders, including PTSD. I committed a sexual offense (felony) that is considered pretty heinous, though it was not in any way connected to my practice. I served two years in prison and have been out almost nine years now. Of course I lost my license and my current state is not willing to take a chance on me. I know I have much to offer our men and women in the service in the way of effective mental health treatment. Do you think there is any chance of a waiver? Also I am 53 years old.

MSG Glenn
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I Say Again...

.. no felons are being allowed to enlist at this time. Maybe never.

For you to become an Army Psychologist you'd need a license from your state & to become a commissioned officer like you would need to be to practice in the Army you probably wouldn't even make it with a simple misdemeanor. They wouldn't give you the chance for a commission especially in the health care field. That goes even for enlisted personnel.

The Army is not in the business of offering a second chance to anyone. That's not part of their mission.

jamweswest1014 (not verified)
Is there any sort of time

Is there any sort of time frame on misdermeanors... I had a misdermeanor charge when I was 19 it has since been 10 years with not even a traffic ticket. Would I still need to obtain a waiver?

MSG Glenn
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A Recruiter Can...

...tell you what the latest policy is. It probably will depend on what the charge was. If it was drugs you can pretty well forget it but let a Recruiter tell you that.

codyh (not verified)
i have a sealed case that happened when i was 13

I commited a felony at the age of 13. It has been told to me by my public defender at the court house, that it should not be used to stop me from enlisting with the millitary. Is this the truth? can I get this waived since it was an activity of mine but as i was a juvinile?

MSG Glenn
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Not True

Judges cannot influence or override Army policy. There are no sealed or expunged records as far as the Army is concerned including juvenile records. You will have to reveal all offenses that you commited. The Army can find all police records. If you fail to divulge any of those offenses you will be permanently disqualified so even if the Army allows felons to enlist sometime in the future you won't be allowed to join.

codyh (not verified)
yeah i know, its a federal

yeah i know, its a federal agency so you right
but i called a recruiter today and he said theres one chance to get a waiver if theres one felony as a juvinile on your record and theres a clean record since then, so just thought id let the forums know.

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Go For It, Cody

I'm glad you came here to let us know.

I've said it in the past & I'll say it again - if a Recruiter is willing to work with you then you have a chance. It all depends on the felony. It's possible that the Army might consider your case a midemeanor. Just because it's a felony in your state doesn't mean it's a felony in another state or the Army might not call it a felony if they were prosecuting it. That coupled with the fact that you were a juvie & it was a long time ago can only help your case.

Something I always say, too is if in doubt talk to a Recruiter! I only go by what others tell me including a couple of Recruiters. I see a trend & I report it via posts.