"infantry scout".. as opposed to 19D?

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localseminole
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Hey guys, firstly, thank you for reading.

Ive been in the process of figuring out what I wanna do in the Army. I Was set on going in 19D but, I just now read a non-active post on another forum with a soldier describing his role as an "infantry scout". Truthfully, it sounds far closer to what I want to do than my original thoughts on 19D. Is there anyway to negotiate this when I enlist? Or is this totally a case-by-case small squad role, which rotates or is left up my C.0.?
According to what I read, as opposed to 19d, there is less time spent in a vehicle. Additionally, as an "infantry scout" I would have the ability to provide recon with an ability to destroy the enemy as well.
To give you some insight..Overall, what I want out of an MOS is: to become an expert in land navigation, become skilled in self-surival, acquire the highest level of observation and reconnaissance skills, and display my opposition for those that are a threat to America authoritatively.
Thank you guys.

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MSG Glenn
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There used to be an Infantry Scout MOS. I think it was 11D. There isn't even a Mech Infantry MOS 11M anymore. The Army has pruned Infantry down to 11B & 11C. Charlies are Mortarmen & get pulled out of the regular Infantry training in school to learn their mortars. There are still Scouts in Infantry, though. They go through training at the Recon School conducted at Ranger School. Duty position determines which role you serve in an Infantry unit. As far as I know actual Scouts are with Battalion or higher & get sent to which small unit needs them.

There is no enlistment contract for Scouts. You have to take your chances I guess. Now there IS a contract for Rangers. That gets you in the 75th Ranger Regt. with Airborne School automatic after BCT/OSUT.

Although I'm Airborne Infantry myself (at least before I retired) I never knowingly met an 11D. We ran our scouting missions ourselves with help from higher HQ when needed. Being a Paratroop will get you some scouting experience easier. You can even be a Pathfinder that will let you jump before the main drop & scout out & mark the dropzone.

Since Rangers Lead the Way most are trained to be pretty good scouts. A word of warning or actually several words of warning - If you happen to be interested in becoming a Ranger DON'T go in as a 19D Cav Scout. Nothing in Armor or Cavalry is used in the 75th Ranger Regt. IF you want to go that route you have to get an Option 40 contract. If Infantry is your choice then your contract would read "11X Option 40". If it just Airborne Infantry it would be "11X Option 4". Option 40 gets you Ranger Assessment & Selection Program after Airborne School & Option 4 gets you only Airborne School.

As always I advise talking to a Recruiter. He'll have all the latest policies. Tell him what you're interested in. Do it soon because it won't be long when graduation will be here. That always bogs the Recruiters down due to a heavy recruit influx & all of the "good" MOSs & contracts & added options fill up fast. DO NOT let a Recruiter tell you that Rangers will come by Basic Training looking for volunteers. sometimes that happens but get it in your Contract! If there are no contracts available that means RASP is filled. RASP is NOT Ranger School. All Rangers in the 75th will go to RS within a year of getting to the Regiment but all Soldiers can go to Ranger School which in itself is not an entry in the 75th. They return to the unit that sent them to RS.

It sounds to me that if your wants of being an expert in land nav, self survival, observation & recon skills then Rangers would be your right fit. Those are all Ranger skills. Add deadly in a firefight with all types of weapons to that list. My son was one with 5 combat deployments & stayed in the Reserve after active duty. He's now an E7 Platoon Sgt. Fight for that Option 40 contract or walk out if that's what you want. The 75th Ranger Regiment is part of the Army Special Operations along with Special Forces (Green Berets). Rangers in the 75th wear Tan Berets.

Good luck & please keep me updated. If you want to be a Ranger then start getting yourself in great physical shape. Be comfortable in water, too. Study for the ASVAB. The higher your score the better opportunities you'll have.

localseminole
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thank you

Thank you for all the thorough, sound advice MSG Glenn. After receiving your input, I have decided to abolish the cav scout idea. After my own research, it seems obviously logical that ranger slots would not be filled by mere volunteers in basic training. there is more prestige to the 75th than that, it is abundantly clear.

In regards to enlisting with the option guaranteeing a bid to RASP: I like the idea very much however, negotiating that will depend on how quickly I end up shipping out. This is because I refuse to attend RASP without being in premier physical condition upon entering, possessing the confidence that I have prepared myself to the highest possible level of which I am capable of my own accord. This involves me performing my own training, going so far as to p.t. during self-imposed sleep deprivation, and high-mileage rucks carrying heavily weighted load-outs.
As for Skill-sets, I intend to fully allow the Ranger Instructors to indoctrinate me with the appropriate skillset needed to be a Ranger, I will enter with a fully open mind, and it will be a sponge.
I realize the guaranteed slot is more desirable, however, I would rather score high on my asvab, enlist with option 11x(4), destroy pt standards, and hopefully earn a bid later for air assault, pathfinder, and Ranger. Is this a common method for soldiers as well?

That being said, if you advise to wait to enlist until Im ready for ranger school originally, I will certainly do so. I just know the recruiters want the enlistment of potential recruits in the form of ASAP. They just dont know how committed I am to joining, possessing a never quit attitude cultivated over my own many failures and hardships. Im 27. Fortunately, My best asset will be that for a decade, ive been an extreme athlete, accustomed to pushing my limits past mere failure and percieved capabilities. Again, thank you.

MSG Glenn
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You definitely have the right attitude to be a Ranger.

Continue your research. The Rangers aren't for everyone & the training is extremely hard.

You have up to a year between signing your contract & shipping. If a RASP slot is open & an Option 40 contract is available take it.

There are many opportunities for specialized training in the 75th Regt. My son went to Breacher School, Master Breacher, Air Assault School, Stryker vehicle driver training. Had he stayed in he was slated for Pathfinder & SpecOps Diver School. It seems that if you want it they'll send you. He would have almost immediately gone to Jumpmaster training.

Leadership is a given for Rangers. In Ranger School even the lowest ranking Ranger gets to rotate through almost all leadership positions leading men having rank much higher. Rank & duty position is awarded to deserving Rangers. My son was a Team Leader as a CPL & became a Squad leader as a SGT normally a SSG slot.

Study the Ranger Creed. You'll see exactly what is expected of you as a Ranger.

If you go in with an Option 40 & are an 11X you be doing PT with other Option 40s & Special Forces candidates so the normal BCT PT won't make you lose a step. At least that was true when my son was at Infantry OSUT.

Speaking of PT - don't push yourself so hard that you cause injuries before you leave for basic but definitely push yourself.

Good luck! Please continue to keep me updated. I need as much feedback as possible because being retired I'm well out of the loop. I had some local Recruiter friends but they've moved on. They were a big source of info. They were eager to answer my questions.

MSG Glenn
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I should add...

...that there are more MOSs in the 75th other than 11B/C. A good Ranger buddy of my son went in as a Truck Driver because that's all that was available for Option 40s at that time. He went through the same training as every other Ranger & even went on combat ops when an extra shooter was needed which was often. So did the Cooks. It would be that the operative MOS is "Ranger" first. The Truck Driver went to Infantry School eventually & then because of some education he had he was transitioned to Image Analyst because age was creeping up on him. He's now medically retired & is doing image analysis for corporations that need land analyzed for some purpose or another.

To summarize - if it's an Option 40 contract you want keep your mind open to whatever MOSs are available. There are many but like I said in an earlier post no 19 series MOSs. As long as the Option 40 is added to your MOS on your contract you're good to go.