How open are my options?

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Bpeebles82
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I've scored an 85 on the asvab and got a 121 gt score. I've heard this opens a lot of opportunities for me..What can I expect?

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Don't expect a lot not

Don't expect a lot not because you might not have a lot offered but because times are hard period in recruiting! Have you sat down with a recruiter and looked at the jobs avaliable right now?

MSG Glenn
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@ Bpeebles82

Some of the opportunities you can take advantage of, if available, are Special Forces, Rangers & OCS among others. I read your other post about desiring to go to OCS & just can't give a hard answer. I'm in contact with a recent graduate of OCS & in the short time that he's been a 2LT he tells of many changes in OCS selection. It's becoming more highly selective. Evidently the Army doesn't have a great need for officers at this time. You'll also have to pass a PT test with a good score to be a contender.

Maybe SSG P, a Recruiter, can shed some more light on the subject. I normally would have suggested going for a 09S OCS contract but if you found out that at age 29 you're too old that might not be an option. That's news to me. This same 2LT has said that procurement of existing Soldiers & Prior Service for OCS is way down. They prefer them right off the street. How long that will last is anyone's guess. You might get aged out of selection if you can't get to OCS soon after you enlist & enlisted Soldiers are a low priority.

Like I said - I'll leave a definitive answer to someone else. I'm just not sure enough to not lead you astray.

Edit - SSG P must have been posting the same time as I was.

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Thanks

For the input. I have not talked to my recruiter about specific MOS's yet. I'm literally in the second week of this process. Took the asvab last week..then doing a pt this week.

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I will le you know

That if your going for ocs and you don't make above 260 on pt test then that will hurt you bad! Ya MOSs will come as they show you whats offered if you are going enlisted. Did you figure out which route you want to go?

Bpeebles82
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@SSG P

I'm leaning towards enlisting as e4 then bust my tail for a year or so to request ocs or wocs.

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That's probably...

...your best option. Nobody can predict the future but at this time it's hard enough just enlisting let alone enlisting for something "special". If we have another war in the near future & anything is possible, Policies will be altogether different. Just be the best Soldier you can be, score high on the APFT (try to ace it), shoot Expert with your weapon, get good enlisted ratings, excel in all of your military education & things will happen in your favor. Those that do will get promoted ahead of their peers & have more opportunities that the Army offers.

Make sure that your Recruiter knows what you'd like to do with your career so he can guide you in the right path.

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Okay awesome next question if

Okay awesome next question if your enlisting then why are you taking a pt test?

Bpeebles82
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Thanks Glenn

@SSG P. The rec wants me to do a pt test to make sure I can meet 60% in each exercise.

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RE: Enlistment PT test

My son's Recruiter also wanted him to take a PT test before he would try to get him an Option 40 Ranger contract. He said he did the same for those who wanted an Option 4 Airborne contract. It wasn't a requirement but something the Recruiter used to weed out those he knew would have trouble passing Ranger or Airborne training requirements.

MY recruiter did the same thing to me when I enlisted on the basis that I'd get Airborne Infantry or I wouldn't join. I was a lot older than most enlistees because I had a long break in service between the Navy & the Army. He was looking out for me because he worked next door to where I worked & we'd drink coffee together daily.(don't tell my Recruiter but I would have probably joined even if I couldn't get Airborne Infantry, lol.) He WANTED to get me in the Army Reserve as a Photographer, my civilian job at the time. I'd have nothing to do with that, though.

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Agh wow okay! Thats cool I

Agh wow okay! Thats cool I guess never have done that with anyone.

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The Recruiters evidently...

...had too much time on their hands, lol.

My Recruiter was Airborne himself & my son's second Recruiter (long story involved there) had served in the 75th Ranger Regiment. That might have had something to do with it.

Bpeebles82
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? about rangers..

Once you complete ranger school, what's next? Do you have a specialty? Join a ranger reg.? Go back to your original mos? Is there special pay for being a ranger?

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Re: Ranger School

Ranger School is open to all male Soldiers regardless of MOS with a priority on Combat Arms, Infantry with a higher priority. After graduating from RS the Soldier receives a Ranger Tab & goes back to the unit that sent him. Ranger School has a high wash-out rate. The unit that sends Soldiers to Ranger School conduct Pre-Ranger training. If a Soldier can't pass Pre-Ranger he won't be sent to RS.

If a recruit gets an Option 40 contract for an MOS that's used & needed in the 75th Ranger Regiment he'll be sent to BCT/AIT/OSUT with Airborne School to follow. After AB School he'll go to Ranger Assessment & Selection Program, RASP. Basically it's a 2 month gut check where the Ranger candidate will receive much testing with some training thrown in. It's designed to judge whether the Soldier has what it takes to function in the Ranger Regiment with a high wash-out rate. Graduates of RASP then go to one of the 3 operational Ranger Battalions or Regiment itself. If he's in a support MOS he could go to the support battalion. Sometime during his first year in the 75th he'll be sent to Pre-Ranger & Ranger School which is mandatory for 75th Regt Rangers before they get any leadership positions & in most cases to remain in the Ranger Regt. A Ranger in the 75th who can't get his tab isn't needed there.

Being a Ranger doesn't get you any extra pay but those in Airborne units including the 75th Ranger Regt get jump pay.

So you can see that being a graduate of Ranger School doesn't necessarily make one a Ranger but instead a Soldier who is Airborne qualified with Ranger skills & a tab to show it. It's a whole different ballgame to be a Ranger in the 75th Regiment who lives the Ranger life 24/7/365 as opposed to a Paratrooper with the 82nd Airborne Div who has graduated from Ranger School.

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Thanks again for the info

Thanks again for the info Glenn. You and SSG P have been very helpful.

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Another thought on Spec Ops jobs:

Special Operations includes Special Forces ("Green Berets") & Rangers plus the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment & Psychological Operations units. All require their Soldiers to be Airborne qualified & offer lots of interesting & exciting jobs. This might be something you should at least look into. Like all Army units there are MOSs included that can lead to becoming a Warrant Officer. At times there is a need for Intel people, Communications,Medics, even Food Service.

Candidates for Special Forces & Rangers must be in superb physical shape, even those who are in support MOSs. Training is grueling.

I have no idea what enlistment contracts are available to get into one of those. I'll take the Rangers for instance - A while back there was a young man that wanted to be a Ranger more than anything. That required an Option 40 contract. He wanted Infantry. There were no 11X Option 40 contracts available at that time but there was a Truck Driver MOS with an Option 40. He took it, got into the 75th Regiment & finally got to go on operations when an extra shooter was needed. He's within the re-enlistment window & will be reclassifying to 11B, Infantry or 13F, Fire Control Specialist both of which are operational MOSs.

As a rule promotions are faster in Spec Ops units. My Ranger son became a SSG in less than 4 years after serving as a CPL Team Leader & SGT Squad Leader, one rank under the normal. He's had many high-speed schools with more on the horizon while in the Reserves.