Denied moral waiver for ARNG, options?

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discover_ramen
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I was recently denied a waiver for a level 400 juvenile charge that occurred ten years ago by the National Guard. I passed the suitability review quickly, and the waiver denial was sent back in just under a month. My recruiter said he wasn't sure if I am allowed to re-apply for a waiver because he's never even had a level 400 charge cleared before. Although I have read a few cases where they have been on this site, I understand each case is different.

Do I have any options? Should I re-apply at a better time that people mentioned (not Summer basically)? I am a graduate student with two semesters left for my Master's and I plan on going to Medical school.

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MSG Glenn
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I have no idea what a level 400 charge is, LOL. I probably do but never heard it categorized as that. Sounds ominous. I won't ask you what you were charged with. Charges such as drugs, domestic violence & violence in general seen to never or seldom get waived.

What does your Recruiter say about this? Has he ever had one of his prospects get a waiver with that charge? Maybe he can shed more light on that & if it would be a good idea to try again later in the year. In my experience the time between Thanksgiving & about half way through January is usually the slowest time for Recruiting.

Another thought - run this by your Recruiter - wait until you have your MD & go on as a doc. Check to make sure you'd meet the maximum age requirement. The Army & its components always seem to need Docs, Nurses & Medics. Moreso during wartime. He should find out whether or not you'd be allowed to reapply. From what I've seen once a waiver is rejected it will always be.

Some waivers can be approved when that particular Army Component needs Soldiers. Maybe the Army National Guard is pretty much full while the Army Reserve is hurting for troops.

About the only thing I can say is "Good Luck". Don't give up. Try to keep me updated.

discover_ramen
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He said he typically doesn't even try to push a waiver with my charges: juvenile burglary and criminal mischief. User Luis_L from another thread mentioned he got his waiver approved in the beginning of 2017 with these same charges for the Army Reserves. I've looked around online and it seems that re-applying or appealing a waiver decision is possible, but not sure how often or under what circumstances. Once Nov-Dec comes around, I will hope to convince the same or another recruiter to help me out.

MSG Glenn
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As an idea why not try the Army Reserve? Waiver approval often depends on the needs of the Army. If your local NG unit doesn't need but a few Soldiers then a waiver will be next to impossible to get. The Army Reserve & Active Duty Army use the same Recruiters while the National Guard has their own. It's possible the local USAR units have a shortage.

You're right - wait until the summer rush of recruits has slowed down.

Good luck!

Aaron.Tkill
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MSG Glenn
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Thanks!

That should be helpful.

discover_ramen
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Recent Memorandum

I frequent the ARNG subreddit on Reddit.com, and there was a post bringing up a memorandum update. So I checked it out on the NJ ARNG website and it mentioned updates on enlistment waivers. Bottom-line, the MSG for the recruiting area has appointed another recruiter to re-submit my waiver because he thinks whatever change regarding level 400 moral waivers makes it worth a shot. I will update on what happens.

MSG Glenn
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It sounds like things are starting to turn in your favor.

Good luck on the rest of the process & we'll be waiting for your updates.

discover_ramen
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Hi Glenn, I came here to ask you specifically because I know you're also quick to reply.

I've submitted some letters of rec. for another recruiter, but what happens if they can't contact one of them, or even worse yet what if that particular letter of rec. provider got into trouble himself? Would waiver authorities keep searching the background of this guy, or just stop wasting time if they can't get a hold of him?

MSG Glenn
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I haven't a clue. I had to submit letters of recommendation for a security/PI job I was applying for but never for the Navy or Army. I had a close friend, one of my former Army Officers & my pastor write something & submitted them. None were ever contacted. Whether they were checked out for possible police records I have no way of knowing. After a few years I was (and still am) a supervisor for that security & private detective agency & have looked at letters for some applicants but never needed to follow up on them. We do the usual records check on applicants & that's it. The authority that licenses security officers & private detectives also runs background checks before a license & firearms permit is issued.

Now that's civilian & not Military & that could be a whole different ball game.

If you find anything out please let me know.