Becoming a US Army Airborne Ranger

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MSG Glenn
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To preface this thread I want to warn those who are interested in going into the 75th Ranger Regiment that they are really hard to get these days but for those who want to wait until there are openings read on.
First off when you go to see a recruiter make it very clear to him right at the beginning that you want to go that route & won't enlist unless you have the contract in hand.
You will have to get an Option 40 contract. For instance - if you want to be an Infantryman in a Ranger Battalion you'll need to get an 11X/Airborne/Option 40 contract. What this gets you is Infantry OSUT, Airborne School & RASP, Ranger Assessment & Selection Program, formerly known as RIP, Ranger Indoctrination Program.
The requirements are "easy" - you need to pass the APFT with a minimum score of 80 in each event. I recommend a score of 100 because if RASP is full & the needs of the 75th aren't great you can get deselected out of the program with anything less. RASP is an 8 week course designed to take only the best & brightest Soldiers. My son thought that RIP was harder than Ranger School. If you pass the course you'll go to a Ranger Batt & get trained further by your unit. Sometime during your first year at Batt you'll be sent to Ranger School, a 60+ day kick in the groin. Your unit will conduct a pre-Ranger course to make sure you're ready to go.
If your Recruiter tells you that you can volunteer for the 75th Regt. while in AIT or Airborne School don't hold your breath. If he can't write Option 40s then that means the slots at RASP are full. Of course there are always DEPs dropping out & guys getting injured in BCT so it could happen.
Don't think that going to Ranger School while you're in the Army will get you in the 75th Regt. It probably won't. The unit that sends you to RS will get you back. The 82nd Airborne sends many of their Paratroopers to Ranger School. RS & RASP are two totally different but related things.

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reaperhkd (not verified)
becoming a ranger

I want to be a ranger, now does my credit matter i have a bk under my name. As for physical training i run 8 miles a day, i run 1 mile in 4:20 and 2 miles in less than 9. I have 5%body fat push ups, situps, pull ups no problem (i do a 500 sit ups a night). I want to what exactly do i need to do to become a ranger.

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RE: Ranger

The most important thing to do is get an Option 40 contract when you enlist. Insist on it! If you can't get it then oh well. It's that simple.

Your PT seems to make you good Ranger material. Keep it up. Add swimming as well. If you get to RASP there's a Combat Water Survival test. You don't have to be an expert swimmer but you have to be comfortable in & under the water.

Don't enlist with the thought that you can volunteer for Ranger Assessment & Selection Program (RASP) in AIT/OSUT. That's probably what your Recruiter will tell you. It's possible but highly unlikely. If there are openings in the Ranger Regt. then you can get the option 40. If you HAVE to join the Army & there are no option 40s available then you still have that slim chance.

I'd go Infantry, MOS 11X for the best chance. Next choice would be Fire Support Specialist, MOS 13F. Those are the operational Rangers. There are some in the 75th Ranger Regiment that are in the support MOSs, cooks, mechanics, drivers, etc. You might be able to get into Regiment that way but you won't be kickin' any doors in but in a support role.

Don't confuse Ranger School with duty in the 75th. That's a whole different matter. All male Soldiers can apply for & go to Ranger School with a priority on Combat Arms MOSs. After the school you'll go back to whatever unit sent you, NOT a Ranger Battalion. All of those in the Ranger Regt are also required to go to Ranger School to get their Tab. Those are the only ones who get into Regiment, go to Ranger School & come back to Regt. However with a Ranger Tab in a regular unit you might be able to get into the 75th sometime in the future but it's still best to enlist with a guarantee. That guarantee of course just gets you there. It's up to you to pass the courses. Typically you'd go to Infantry OSUT (Basic training & Infantry School all run together as one course), Airborne School, RASP, into a Ranger unit, & sometime during your first year there, to Ranger School.

Good luck & please let me know what a Recruiter tells you about option 40 contracts. As I understand it RASP is filled through fiscal 2011. That can change according to the needs of the 75th Ranger Regiment. At the very least get an Option 4 Airborne contract. You'll need that to get to Ranger School & Regiment sometime in the future if you can't get the Option 40.

(Try to Google RASP for information of what's expected of you. RASP used to be known as "RIP" which was about half as long as RASP is now).

reaperhkd (not verified)
ranger

Oh yay i swim too in my pool at least 50 laps while doing the last 4 under water. So what you are saying its very hard to get in. I have to go infantry and hope for an opening for ranger training kind of like being selected for ranger school, did i get that right.

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RE:RE: Ranger

Yes, it's hard to get in. There's only 3 Ranger battalions so that's not even a division.

Infantry isn't the only MOS in the 75th. The last person who I heard that got an Option 40 contract went in as a truck driver. If you Googled "75th Ranger Regt." There's a list of the MOS that are there. The MOS with the most people is Infantry. That's usually the one that fills up first. It seems everyone who wants to be a Ranger wants to be an Infantryman.

The Rangers who actually go out on raids are : 11B/C,13F,68W, sometimes Intel Specialists, an Air Force Controller,& sometimes they'll take along guys in support MOSs as shooters (I guess to give them a thrill but that would be on a voluntary basis). You don't "have" to be Infantry to get into the 75th. It's just the most active MOS there.

You'll have to check on which MOSs the 75th Regt needs & try to get one of those with an Option 40 contract. A Recruiter should be able to tell you. I always recommend Infantry but like I said that's a very popular Ranger MOS & fills up fast. You'll need patience. If you really want to be a Ranger then you might have to wait for openings. About 6 years ago when civilian jobs were plentiful & the economy was good my son had to wait about 6 months just to get Infantry. It turned out he got his Option 40 along with it & went on to become a SSG in the 3rd Ranger Batt. Neither Option 40 or Infantry or even Airborne option 4 contracts were available for the whole summmer. Once the H.S. & college graduates started enlisting they used up all of the available slots fast.

If I were you I'd start checking with a Recruiter fast. Get the ball rolling. Find out if there are any openings. We're coming to a window where it's been traditionally a slow period for Army Recruiting. Things might be different with the lack of civilian jobs, though.

Good luck!

Chris1345 (not verified)
Hey i was planning on going to be a airborne ranger.

I am overweight about 66.6 pounds overweight
and out of shape but i can pull all that around. I am a junior in high school going for a high school diploma. I am eighteen years old. But is there really a chance for me to do this? I have been reading everything in these forums. And thats why i am asking this question? What are the requirements altogether. I did read the messages for Option 40 contract when you enlist. But i dont honestly know how to get that. But i also need to know how much physically i need to prepare for it? And how to get the option 40 contract and what score on the asvab do i need to get?

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Option 40 Ranger Contract & Preparation

First off you have to be in world-class physical shape to be a Ranger. Many fail on the first day of Ranger training. You need a very good score on the PT test. The less Rangers that are needed the more important that score is. It's nothing to them to fail 75% of the class. Strive to get a 300 on the APFT.

To get an Option 40 contract you have to choose an MOS that the 75th Ranger Regiment uses & needs. Then while writing your contract the MEPS Counselor who writes your contract in your presence will Add Option 40 to that contract. It's very hard to get an Option 40 contract. Normally the Rangers have more applicants than what they need. RASP is filled through fiscal 2011 although every once in a while I hear of an opening. Be prepared to wait a long time.

You'll go to Airborne School, a 3 week parachute course, after BCT & AIT or OSUT if you went Infantry. After Airborne School you'll be sent to RASP, Ranger Assessment & Selection Program, an 8 week kick in the balls. If you're successful at RASP you'll be sent to one of the Ranger Battalions where you'll receive on the job training by your Team Leader, Squad Leader & Platoon SGT. Sometime during your first year in Batt they'll send you to Ranger School, a 62 day kick in the balls. If you fail Ranger School, a requirement to be in the 75th Regt. You'll sent out of Regiment.

Chris1345 (not verified)
Ok do you know the score sheet for the APFT

What is the highest score on lowest on APFT. Or could you point me out a good website that i could read about it.

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Rangers need to be resourceful and self-reliant!

Not only is there a menu item (under Interested in Joining) that says APFT, but there is also a search bar on the top left of the screen. You can find this information on this very website.

While I'm certainly not as knowledgeable as MSG Glenn, I do know that Rangers don't get spoon fed much of anything!

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Re:Rangers need to be resourceful & self-reliant

You bet they do!

During the assessment & selection process & in Ranger School you'll be required to test in the land navigation, obstacle course, Combat Swim Test & other elements alone. Normally in the rest of the Army the Buddy System is used.

The Admin is right - Rangers don't get spoonfed nuttin'! You make it as a Squad, a Team or all alone.

From the Ranger's Creed :

"Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission though I be the lone survivor."

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RE: APFT

The score can change depending on how many Rangers are needed. If the RASP Instructors are told to only pass a certain percentage of students then the first cut will come at the initial APFT. Those with the highest scores will go on to training.

You can google "APFT" to find out what scores you need for your age group. I can tell you that you need a score of 50 in each event to pass BCT, 60 at AIT & once you get to a unit but to get into any Special Operations - Ranger & Special Forces - you need the highest score you can get with 100 in each event being the maximum. Not only is a high score required for entry in the training but it's also needed to complete that training which is extremely hard & physical. Those that just squeak by on the PT test will probably not complete the selection processs.

ChristopherRuehrwein22 (not verified)
What I can do to prepare

I'm 15 years old I live in Versailles, Kentucky. I've been wanting to enlist into the Army since I was 9, and I was wondering what can I do to prep. for this. I was interested in becoming an airborne ranger and was wondering how I would go about that.

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RE: Airborne Ranger

You're at a good age to start preparing to become a Ranger. Read everything that I've already posted above. Then get out & do push-ups, sit-ups, run, swim. It's not mandatory but get involved in sports. That alone will help in your physical preparation. I suggest wrestling but only because I wrestled & was a wrestling coach. I'll give the example of my son - he wrestled in grade school starting at age 9 & continued through high school. After his frst year of wrestling season I signed him up for Judo where I also became a coach. After H.S. graduation he wanted to join the Army & become a Ranger. I accelerated his PT program. He ran more & I added swimming. He did push-ups & sit-ups immediately following his runs. He also did them while watching TV each time a commercial came on. He was probably doing thousands a day. He worked out on Nautilus fitness equipment at our Judo club. When he saw his Recruiter he told him exactly what he wanted but at that time it wasn't available. He held out until it was, about a 6 month wait for him. When he finally got to Ranger Selection he made it through with no problems although it was still hard, just as it's intended to be. Many were dropped the first couple of days. After he was assigned to a Ranger Battalion he was sent to Ranger School about a year later & after a deployment to Iraq. He made it through the first time. Meanwhile he was receiving some very hard physical training in his unit. He had to prove himself every day.

You have to set your goal & follow through. As you get older you'll be offered the chance to drink & do drugs. Don't do it! Don't hang around with people who do. You have to develop a Ranger mindset & follow through. By all means graduate from H.S.

All of my suggestions are also valid if you want to enlist with a Special Forces contract. I don't advise going into the Army with one, though. After getting into a Ranger unit you'll be allowed to apply for SF. Many SF troopers got their start in the Rangers & did well in selection.

Good luck!

ChristopherRuehrwein22 (not verified)
Sounds good, I already do

Sounds good, I already do Wrestling and Football. And Starting this Friday I'm going to run 5 miles a day, and swim 2 a day. Along with a series of sit ups and push ups.

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It's important...

...that you don't push yourself so hard that you cause an injury. The suggestion that many trainers put out is only run every other day & on off-running days do some other form of cardio exercize. That would be a good day to swim or take a long hike, bike, row, or maybe do some weight work. Continue doing push-ups & sit-ups daily.

Since you're already at a good PT level then you could do whatever you're doing at this time. If you feel any pain at all take a break for a few days.

playHARDtrainHARD (not verified)
rangers

21-male-single (joining army for sure)

I have been discussing a lot with my recruiter, but you seem pretty straight forward so I wanted to ask you some questions I may not like the answers to.

I played college soccer and did amazing in the conditioning aspect of it all. I have never struggled by any means with the physicality of any sport or activity in my life. Sports have been my life as well as outdoor activities. (rock climbing,white water guide,camping.) Alot of the things I seen in a video on a ranger school documentary were things I have done numerous times. I am looking strongly into airborne rangers.

My point to all of this is I know I have what it takes to go special forces. Physically I am not nervous at all. My main question and concern is I didn't exactly ace the asvab. I made a 52, but that was after only 2 practice tests. Is there a certain requirement on that test to even be eligible for special forces? Also once passing ranger school and getting the ranger pin how mental does it become. I was a lazy high school student and maintained a 2.5 (that was while playing sports, focusing on girls and everything but classes and doing my homework maybe once a week) In college I found the classes a lot easier once I was there playing soccer and while trying my butt of only managed to get a 2.9 ... so do I have the smarts to be in special forces? (my friend said they will require you to learn foreign language fluently at some point)

Also I know they will have training for basically anything they decide they want you to do or I decide to do.

Basically how smart do you have to be to go special forces? haha

Thank you in advance for any advice or comments you have.

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Re:Ranger/Special Forces

Even the best of athletes have a hard time in RASP, Ranger School & SFAS. It's not just the physical aspect of it but the mental. I'm not talking brain surgeon or rocket science. I'm talking of going a week or more with an hour or two of sleep a night & one meal a day then getting a complex mission to accomplish. In SFAS alone you'll be tested on land navigation at night, alone & probably just as tired as those going to Ranger School. The course is long & all you'll have is a map & compass - no GPS or walking on roads or trails. It's woods all the way.

What you've seen on "Surviving the Cut" & other programs is just scratching the surface. RASP is 8 weeks & sometime in your first year in the 75th you'll be sent to Ranger School & that's 61 days long. The good thing about RS is that you'll go to a Pre-Ranger course & they won't send you to RS unless you do well there. You'll learn the skills required without all the hassle & sleep/food deprivation.

To get into Special Forces Assessment & Selection you're required to have a a GT score of 110 regardless what you get on the ASVAB. Study, study, study. There are no waivers. To get into the 75th with an option 40 contract you just have to pass the ASVAB with a score of 31.

If you decide to try out for the Rangers I'm sure you're aware that you'll need an option 40 contract. There's a slim chance of getting into the 75th Ranger Regiment without it. There are many Rangers that go into Special Forces sometime during their first or second enlistment. There are many Special Forces operators that go to Ranger School or got their start in the Ranger Regt. As you can imagine there's a lot of crossbreeding between Rangers & SF.

Get yourself into the best physical condition that you can.

Tulleys (not verified)
Since SF and being a ranger

Since SF and being a ranger are diffrent is there an option for SF like how there is an option 40 for being a Ranger?

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SF Enlistment Contract

You need an 18X contract to get into SF. That gets you Infantry OSUT, Airborne School & then SFAS Prep then SFAS. After SFAS you'll be sent to the SF Qualification Course, Language School & SF series-18 MOS School. The language & MOS is chosen by Special Forces according to their needs.

The washout rate is the greatest with new Soldiers. Even seasoned veterans have a fairly high washout rate. Rangers have about the best chance but even they can get dropped. Many try out, few are chosen. If you're washed out you'll remain as an Infantry Soldier but not necessarily in an Airborne unit even though you're Airborne qualified. It depends on whether the 82nd Airborne Division, the 173rd Airborne Brigaade or the other Airborne units attached to Infantry Divisions need Paratroopers.

Adam Moore (not verified)
Recruiter says Option 40 isn't available

Hello, I was wondering what I should do. My recruiter tells me that an option 40 contract isn't available. I want to enlist in the army as soon as possible, but my heart is set on being a Ranger. I got an 84 on my asvab and my general technical exceeds Ranger requirements. Thanks for any help.

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RE: Option 40 not available

All I can suggest if an Option 40 isn't available is to wait until there are openings. That's the surest way to get into the 75th. (Some say the only way to get there). There might be slim possibility that volunteers will be sought while you're in OSUT. I emphasize "slim". There are times when there aren't enough Option 40s to fill a class or the needs of the Ranger Regt. are greater than normal - more than was anticipated leaving Regiment & the Army. Don't sign any contract until you get exactly what you want. Make that very clear to your Recruiter & the MEPS Counselor.

Use the time while you're waiting to get into top shape.

If you have to get into the Army as soon as possible even without an Option 40 you're next goal should be to get an Airborne Option 4 contract. Ranger Recruiters might come to Airborne School looking for volunteers. It's still doubtful that will happen, though. If you get through Airborne training & get assigned to an Airborne unit you're chances of going to Ranger School are good. That still won't get you in the 75th Ranger Regt., though. You'll go back to the unit that sent you there.

Adam Moore (not verified)
Thank you

Thanks for your advice. Do you have any idea how often new sets of option 40 contracts are put out? I want to enlist within the next year so I can begin my career soon after I graduate. The bad thing is, right now my recruiter is saying that an airborne contract isn't even available.

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No idea on when Option 40s become available

It could be next week, next month or next year. When the 75th needs Rangers & there aren't enough volunteers then Option 40 contracts become available. My son had to wait 6 months in '03. As it turned out Airborne & Ranger Recruiters came to Infantry School looking for volunteers. Half the class went to Airborne School (some already had Airborne contracts) & there were about 4 volunteering for Rangers. All who were eligible were accepted. They needed 2 buses to get them across post to Airborne School. I asked both the Airborne & Ranger Recruiters why they needed so many & they both said that Recruiters weren't writing enough contracts for some reason. I think those days are long gone, though. I wouldn't count on that happening anytime soon. It's always best to get it in writing. I've also heard that when it happens many aren't accepted because they don't meet the standards regardless how many Soldiers are needed. You need to have an excellent APFT score & the recommendation from your Drill Sgt. If you strive to be the best Soldier in OSUT with a near perfect APFT score your chances are better in the outside event that Airborne & Ranger Recruiters come around.

Adam Moore (not verified)
I talked to my recruiter and

I talked to my recruiter and he says that he has looked for jobs up until November and the only thing available is Infantry. What would be my chances of asking for airborne and getting it after enlisting as just infantry(at least?) I want to be, or at least try to be, in a Ranger regiment, but I am only going to sign a 3 year contract for my fist contract and I would be fine with being in just Airborne and then asking for rangers as an incentive to re-enlist.

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You might need...

...a 4 year contract if you get an Option 40. It could even be longer like 4 years plus training time. I think that's only in effect for those who receive an enlistment bonus for Rangers, though.

I can't tell you what your chances of getting Airborne are. Probably better as an Infantry recruit. Your Recruiter should be able to tell you.

You should prioritize your goals - Infantry, Airborne, Rangers in that order. If there's no way you can get an Option 40 settle for an Option 4. If that's out of the question then 11X. I'll still advise that if Ranger is your ultimate goal then hold out until it becomes available & get it in your contract.

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problem.

I have been wanting to be an Army Ranger my entire life. I have been to the recruiter, and just took my ASVAB today. I scored a 49. It was a major let down to myself and I am extremely bummed I am not eligible for the Option 40. I don't know what to do. There is no way in hell I am going to settle for being in the regular army. I don't want that. Any suggestions? What are the chances that I would get a shot at Ranger School if I just enlist as a regular army infantry man? I really do not know what to do. Help.

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Going to Ranger School won't...

...get you in the Ranger Regiment. All that does is give you the Ranger Tab & extra hardcore training. Those who are already in the 75th Rangers are required to go to Ranger School, usually within their first year in Regiment, but it's voluntary for the rest of the Soldiers in the Army.

Did you take the ASVAB at MEPS or just the one your Recruiter gave you? If it's not a MEPS test then it doesn't count. Study real hard & then ask your Recruiter if he can retest you. You're not disqualified from any job in the Army until the official test is graded.

Once you go to MEPS & take the physical exam & ASVAB you'll sit down with a Counselor to work out your contract. If you score over 50 on the ASVAB you can ask for an Option 40. Insist on it. If it's not available then walk out & try again some other time.

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dissgruntled.

I am currently serving in the national guard. I am 20 years old and I joined the national guard initially to pay for my college, but now i have second thoughts. My recruiter lied to me blatantly telling me i could volunteer for special forces once i was in. i was 17 and dumb. i took his word for it. when i realized what the guard was actually about i was not happy. what i want to do is talk to an active duty recruiter and go to ranger school. i am mosq and ive already served 2 years of my contract. is it even possible to go from national guard to active duty?? I have spoken to alot of my friends, family and my chain of command. They all told me to contact an active duty recruiter. My worries are they wont take me and ill be stuck without the army or the national guard. im not a quiter and i dont want to become one. Is my guard contract then nullified and i have to do BCT/AIT over again? I mean if thats what it takes im all for it. or will i go straight to jump school? all my life ive wanted to be in the rangers. Ill do what it takes. but i dont want to get stiffed again. i want to be ready with questions of my own when i go into the recruiters office this time.
PFC Eichhorn

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i have to many questions and

i have to many questions and id like to have a general idea before i make a commitment that might screw me over in the long run.

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@ Alex75

First off PFC to go into the Active Duty Army for the National Guard you'll be considered prior service. At this time the only MOS that prior service can get is 18X, Special Forces. If you think that you're fit enough for duty in the 75th Ranger Regiment you should be close to be able to get through SFAS. Review in your own mind what your last APFT score was. If it was under 300 it's too low. I think they still require you to pass it with a minimum score just to qualify for the Rangers. Probably the same goes for SF. That still isn't high enough to cope with the selection & training. Usually APFT is conducted under ideal conditions. In SF or the Rangers you'll be doing physical activities far from ideal. You'll want that reserve of strength & stamina to call on.

I'm not absolutely positive if you'd have to do BCT again but if you're not Infantry then you'd have to go to the Infantry phase of 11X OSUT for SF. Jump School to follow, automatically if you have the contract. I'm also not too sure about your remaining NG contract. That's for a Regular Army Recruiter to let you know. I know that some have transferred & their NG/Reserve unit had to be willing to release them before a Recruiter could do anything & the Active Army had to be willing to take them on.

Your Recruiter wasn't actually lying to you. There are Army National Guard Special Forces units. My son's buddy, a Reservist in Milwaukee,WI, went to SF selection this last weekend in Illinois. If he passes he'll be assigned to the SF unit of the Illinois National Guard. There are no Ranger units in any Reserve Component, though. Since SF is what you want & if you go Regular Army then that's all they'll offer you. I'm sure that the new requirement for SF is an ASVAB score of 50 minimum & a GT score of 110 or higher. I think you'll be able to retest the ASVAB since it's been over 2 years since your last one & SF might require it in any event.

Give an Active Duty Recruiter a call. The Army Reserve & Regular Army use different Recruiters than the NG who use their own. Let me know what he tells you. I'd like to know if - a) you need to go to BCT/AIT/OSUT, b) If 18X is the only contract you'll be offered & c) the SF qualification is ASVAB score of more than 50, a GT score at least 110 & an APFT score of 270 minimum. My buddy has since left Recruiting duty & I no longer have any source of info.

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okay ill keep you up to date

okay ill keep you up to date on the requirements once i find out.

my asvab score was 79 and gt score was 118 so im good there, and im sure if i have to i can retake it and do even better then before. my APFT scores have always ranged anywhere between 280s and 290s, ill just have to train a little harder to get 300.

on the 18x aspect. that means i have to go do sere and that? i wouldnt just go to training to be a ranger? i know i have the mental aspect to get things done, but they say only 1/4 of the candidates actually make it. the odds are against me there. what would happen to me then?? would i go to a certain unit or would i have to keep doing it over until they boot me out for being a bum??

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Rangers & Special Forces are...

...different. If for some stroke of luck you'd be able to get an Option 40 contract you'd attend Airborne School & if you pass that you'd go to Ranger Assessment & Selection Program (RASP) More than likely since you're prior service SF would be the only thing possible for you. Then you would go to Airborne School & Special Forces Assessment and Selection (SFAS). SERE wouldn't come until somewhere downrange unless there was a change in policy. My son, who was an Army Ranger in the 75th Ranger Regt, didn't attend SERE until he was a SGT. He went into the "milder" version at first. Later he attended the full-blown version.

For Special Forces it goes like this (some might not be in this exact sequence-

Infantry School
Airborne School
SF Prep (hopefully, although you might go right to SFAS if you do this in the Guard. I'm not sure)
SFAS
Qualification Course
18X MOS qualification school
Language School

After all of that you might be able to attend Sniper School, SpecOps Combat Divers Course, Ranger School, Air Assault School, SERE I & SERE II, Advanced Recon & a host of other specialized training depending on the needs of SF.

For Army Rangers-

BCT/AIT/OSUT
Airborne School
RASP
Ranger School, sometime in your first year at Regiment.
I think both offer Pathfinder School as well.

All of the specialized training are the same for SF & Rangers. Rangers might be able to go to Breacher & Master Breacher School as well as SF. SF & Rangers have different missions but will work together. My son got out as a Master Breacher able to gain entry into buildings using various methods including explosives. A Master Breacher is trained to use explosives on interior doors, very dangerous. He's in the Army Reserve now as an Instructor for BCT, Infantry school & ROTC as well as unit training.

I just found out that his buddy who went to Illinois Guard SFAS this last weekend didn't quite make it. He did well enough to be invited back for the next selection. He's a beast
so it must be super tough. He wasn't a Ranger & he feels that the training & hardcore life there might have prepared him better. Now my son is kind of thinking about it but he's getting married soon & will be attending the Milwaukee Police Academy in a month or two. He'll help his friend to be able to pass the next selection.

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Questions

I have an astigmatism in one eye. i was offered the contract option 40 and then told that i didn't qualify because of my astigmatism. i got a 94 on my asvab and my eventual goal is to go special forces however i'd like to go through rangers first. i'd like to know what exactly i could do to give me the best chances.

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@ 11athomsen

Can lasik eye surgery fix your astigmatism? That alone won't get you an Option 40 contract because you'll have to wait a period of time (6 months?) after the surgery to be able to enlist. At that time there might not be any Ranger contracts available. Your old deal certainly won't be held for you. If a waiver is required & I'm not sure if it will be, then at this time you can't get an Option 40.

Talk it over with your Recruiter.

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For most surgeries

it is a year wait time now. And Yes I think lasik can fix astigmatism, but I would never tell someone to get that because like you said there is no guarantee after that you could still get it!

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Hey MSG Glenn, long time user

Hey MSG Glenn, long time user and now the day has come where i'm finally going to MEPS tomorrow. I reserved my slot for infantry but they don't have the option 40 listed in the system. I'm not settling any less than an Airborne contract but I would like your personal opinion on what to do. I am well qualified for it but currently I'm 5'5, 159lbs and not in that great shape that I use to be. If I enlist I'll be shipped out by November 22 of this year. I'm wondering if I do get the option 40 contract that I desire that I'll be mentally and physically fit, acquire the skills that I need through BCT/AIT/OSUT/Airborne School to complete RASP successfully? I am a dedicated young man who wants this extremely bad but my ex-Army infantryman Uncle fears that I am not ready yet and should get an Airborne contract, learn the in's and out's of my job first, then go to RASP. Just wanted your honest opinion. Thank you so much for your help over the past couple years and I appreciate your service.

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@ MisterMark93

I think your uncle is right. Not that you probably don't have enough time to get into shape to get through RASP but PT has to practically be a way of life to have a good chance. Many successful (not all) RASP graduates have been involved in sports since grade school & have been subjected to a training regimen for a good portion of their life. My son thought that RASP (known as RIP when he went through) was harder than Ranger School.

If you have any doubts at all then I suggest that you stick with an Airborne contract. Even so get into shape while you're waiting to ship. Even if given the opportunity to volunteer for RASP in BCT/AIT/OSUT you would need to be one of the top APFT performers in your class to get your Drill Sgt's recommendation. BCT or OSUT alone is not enough to get you in Ranger shape. In fact many of those who have an Option 40 contract say they lose a step while in BCT. Don't waste an Option 40 contract.

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Thanks MSG Glenn, I believe

Thanks MSG Glenn, I believe that's what I'm going to do. I spoke with a former Ranger last night and pretty much got a good idea on how to prepare myself for the lifestyle and it was eye opening. This life style is so glamorized through television, video games, and movies so much people forget that it's not an overnight thing. You have to want it and earn it. I think I got my head in the right place and I will be training physically and studying LandNav, ranger's creed, the history and all that so I can get a head start on those guys that get that option 40 contract and go to RASP that realize "What the f*** am I doing here?". I plan on getting my enlistment bonus, army college fund, and infantry airborne option today. Wish me luck.

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LOL Goodluck! Your going to

LOL Goodluck! Your going to need it with all the demands. You have to be open minded with your contract. You might not get everything you want. I hope you do but its been awhile since I have wrote someone into airborne 11X.

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Good luck from me, too!

Just realize that RASP is an 8 week kick in the groin. After you've been in a Ranger battalion for about a year they'll send you to the 75th Ranger Regiment Pre-Ranger Course. It's mandatory if you want to stay in the Ranger Regt. Not too hard because it's designed to train you for Ranger School. I should amend that - the last I heard it was indeed hard but without the sleep & food deprivation that you'll get in RS. Pass Pre-Ranger then it's off to RS, a 62 day kick in the groin. During that time you'll get up to 2 hours of sleep a night & one meal a day. You'll see visions & won't know your own name but still will be expected to finish a very complicated mission. Every Ranger School student is given leadership positions regardless of rank. You might be an E-2 put into a Platoon Leader position (normal a 2LT or 1LT slot)& get the same ass-chewing as he would if the mission goes haywire. That means that you're responsible for every Soldier that's under you. Some of those will be NCOs & Officers.

Of course you'll have training while in your Batt. NCOs are hard & demanding. Daily PT is no fun. They'll run you on "Suicide Hill" (if you're with the 3rd Batt at Benning. The other Batts have their own version). The next day you'll probably run up "Cardiac Hill". All of this while being led from the front by a hard-as-rock Ranger Sgt & pushed from behind by another.

Ranger deployments are a whole different matter. Usually deployments are shorter than those in the Big Army because they have to get back to train. But then it's back over there again. When my son was in 3rd Batt they deplaned in Iraq & less than 2 hours later they were on their first mission. They had very few days off while they were there. He had 5 deployments but he thought those were easier than duty back home except over there people were shooting at them.

Still interested in being a Ranger?

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MSG Glenn,

"Thank you" to you and your son for your service. And for the effort and time you invest on here, and elsewhere, to assist 'wanna be Rangers' like myself. You break it down very well!

I had a broken bone in a wrist as a young kid that went undetected and untreated for years; I lost some flexibility in it. Then at 15 it got dealt with and operated on. No pins or anything; chemical bone graft and now G2G.
I am now 20 and have good use of the wrist, but it does still have about a 10% reduction of flex backwards. Would this be a concern for me at MEPS at all? If it were could I get a Waiver and still qual for an Optn 40?
BTW - Can you get an Optn 40 with ANY Waivers, for anything?

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@ m2

I don't know whether your wrist problem will keep you out of the Army but if you need a waiver to enlist then you won't be able to get an Option 40. At this time Rangers & Special Forces aren't accepting anyone who has a waiver of any kind.

I suggest contacting a Recruiter soon. We have one right on this site but I know he's moving to a different location & may not be on as regular until he gets settled in. I wouldn't wait too much longer because once high schools & colleges graduate it'll be very busy if not so already. This usually lasts all summer. Meanwhile gather as many of your medical records as you can because a Recruiter & certainly MEPS will want to see them to help them make a determination.

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MSG Glenn,

I'd like to echo the other posters' gratitude for your attention to detail on this site. When you say the Rangers aren't accepting waivers of any kind, please tell me you're referring to medical waivers. I was talking to my recruiter on Friday and he didn't say anything about my dependency waiver (I have 2 kids and a wife) affecting my ability to become a Ranger. Any thoughts?

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@ Virgo

I really can't say if your waiver will keep you from getting an Option 40 contract. I expect it will because the last info I have is that the Rangers aren't accepting anyone that requires a waiver to enlist. There might be some exceptions for your type of waiver. Talk it over with your Recruiter. He has the resources to check that out. I don't. I can only go by the information that I get from people like you who are actually enlisting & that information can change weekly. It all depends on the needs of the Army & the needs of the 75th Ranger Regiment.

When you find the answer please let me know.

Good luck!

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Hey Sargent Glenn! Remember

Hey Sargent Glenn! Remember me? Well it took like a month after I first wrote that but I got my option 40. I met 2 ex-rangers through my journey to get finally enlisted. Raul a 6 year vet who served as airborne ranger and Mr. Tony who now works at San Jose MEPS site who was 22 years retired. I think God delayed my entry for good reason. One was that my initial contract was for normal 11X but I had to get a medical consult because the stickler doc tried getting me for saddle back. Secondly I stayed up till midnight talking to Raul who works at the sj hotel that the shippers and enlistees stay at. Then at SJ MEPS I met Mr. Tony; a giant middle aged man with crazy muscles. These individuals gave me the tools I needed and the support that I am meant for greatness. Raul gave me the Rangers creed to memorize, told me to start following a Ranger in the sky, and just helped me so much. I am set straight and I know what needs to be done before I was even enlisted last Monday I memorized the soldier's creed, ranger's creed, army values, and military alphabet. I still need to get down the infantryman's creed down but it'll be easy. Mr. Tony personally gave me his cell phone number for whatever I need. I'm just so blessed. Which is something that I learned, luck has to do a pot with weather you make it or not. Anyways. 4 trips to MEPS and now I finally have my dream job on paper. Whatever I make of it is up to God and me. I wanted to thank you too though Sargent Glenn. I've been on these forums for over a year and you have always helped with whatever I need and I want to thank you and let you know I won't fail but be persistent for success.

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Congratulations MisterMark!

It's great that you have some mentors to encourage you. Now the real work begins. Get into the best shape of your life but always remember that you'll probably lose a step in OSUT. You should be placed in a platoon of Option 40s & 18Xs to help you work on your PT on your own time. The most important thing is not to injure yourself while waiting to ship.

If you have any further questions on RASP, Airborne School, Ranger School & the 75th Ranger Regiment feel free to ask. My son is out of Regiment & in the Reserves but he still stays in touch with his Ranger friends still on active duty. At this time there's nobody he or I know that is a recent graduate of RASP. We only know Rangers who went through the old RIP which was the route to get into the Rangers several years ago but the concept is the same.

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congrats on the option 40. It

congrats on the option 40. It looks like there are more coming out lately! Hope we continue to see them!

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My feelings on Ranger openings -

Rangers & SF are being used (overused?) a lot these days. With a drawdown of troop levels in Afghanistan US Army Special Operations is being tasked with doing much of the heavy lifting. Consequently many Rangers & SF Troopers might be opting out of the program for family reasons as well as they're just plain tired. I know Rangers have shorter deployment lengths due to the need to train in many tasks that aren't being used in the present conflict. Then after a short while being stateside, training all the while, they go back over there again. With only 3 operational Ranger battalions this makes for many deployments. My son had 5 deployments to Iraq & Afghanistan in a 4 year+ enlistment. He didn't mind it - in fact he welcomed it - but had he stayed in the Active Duty Army he'd have about 10 deployments or more by this time.

All of this will undoubtedly see Rangers dropping out of the 75th or the Army altogether. This should offer more openings for new guys to help carry the load.

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Talking to a recuiter

I know this isn't directly related to the Rangers, but I'm seriously thinking about enlisting and would want an option 40. The 2012-2013 school year will be my junior year. When would you suggest I start talking to a recruiter? I know you have to be 17 to enlist with parental permission. I will be 17 in May of 2013 and would like to ship to basic as soon as possible after I graduate. Thanks in advance.

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@ TacticalN29

You can start talking to a Recruiter when you turn 17 but there should be no problem if you called a Recruiting Station before then to ask for information. You'll have to consider that any info you get might have changed by the time you're ready to enlist. Policy changes all the time.

Once your 17 you can enlist with parent's permission. You can be in delayed entry for about a year, maybe a little longer to give you time to get your HS diploma. So in other words you'll need to be within a year or so from graduation & you need to be 17 years old.

If you want to be a Ranger you'll need to get that Option 40 contract. I have no idea how hard that will be at the time of your enlistment. If being a Ranger is your main goal then keep an open mind on your MOS choice. Although Infantry is the most heavily populated MOS in the 75th Ranger Regiment there are times when other MOSs are the only ones that are available for an Option 40.

Read the rest of this thread to get some information about getting into shape. There's nothing as sad as a young man that waited a long time to get a Ranger contract only to get dropped from RASP on the second day. You have plenty of time to do that.

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Thanks!

Do you know how the option 40's work? Like does the Army get a certain number of them at the start of each fiscal year or is it just what the 75th needs? Also I have been working out, pushups, situps, running, among some other stuff. Also I don't think I saw anything about this anywhere but can you wear glasses as a Ranger? Also just curious do you know what happened to the APRT and the ACRT? It seems like they just kinda dropped off the radar. Thanks again!