Basic Airborne School

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TacticalN29
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I've heard that BAS focuses a lot on PT, but I was wondering how it compares to RASP. I know it's easier than RASP, but is there any comparison in physical difficulty at all or are they in two different leagues? Thanks for any response!

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MSG Glenn
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RE: Airborne School

PT is no big deal there. You have to double-time everywhere you go & part of the PT evaluation on the first day includes pull-ups but it's not a whole lot harder than BCT. RASP is much harder. My son thought the RIP he went through was harder than Ranger School. He admits that his Ranger Batt prepared him for RS, more so than Infantry OSUT prepared him for RIP. That & the fact that morning PT in a Ranger Batt is enough to make a grown man cry.

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Ok. I know the APFT standards

Ok. I know the APFT standards are a bit higher but not even close to RASP. Also I'm not sure which is correct, but I think you said in the RASP APFT you have to score 270. On this website and goarmy.com it says 240. Now it may have changed and they didn't update or something, but I don't know.

MSG Glenn
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RE: RASP

The last couple of guys that went through RASP said they had to score 270. I think 240 is the standard regulation score but when the Instructors want to thin the class down they'll take all of the highest scores. Being able to score 300+ makes it sure that you'll get through the first or second day. There's nothing that says the APFT has to be administered on only nice days. You'll want that reserve to call on in case the conditions are crappy or you're tired, sick or sore.

About 2 years ago, one of the first RASP classes when they changed from RIP, they wanted to get rid of a lot of people. They made it possible to volunteer for duty with the 82nd Airborne & the 173rd Airborne Brigade with an immediate transfer. The rest who wanted to ride RASP out were tested & a few were washed out. Then the class was finally the size they wanted.

TacticalN29
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Ok that makes sense. Also do

Ok that makes sense. Also do you know what kind of a chance there is for getting a RASP slot after you complete all your training without an option 40? I know you definitely want to get an option 40, but like say I wasn't in good enough shape by then, what would be the chances of getting in RASP later on?

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RE: RASP without Option 40

It's possible. There are times when Ranger recruiters will come to the various AITs or OSUTs looking for volunteers to fill a class. This might also happen when the 75th is short of certain MOSs. They'll also go to Airborne School. Since Rangers need to be Airborne qualified this might be the first place they start.

In my Son's Infantry OSUT both Airborne & Ranger liaison were looking for volunteers. About half the class went to Airborne School & 3 of them without Option 40s went to RIP starting at Airborne School first. Almost all who volunteered were
accepted. I have no idea how many made it all the way through.

It's still a good idea to get an Option 40 contract to be sure because that doesn't happen often.

TacticalN29
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Ok thanks! But I should

Ok thanks! But I should definitely be able to get into Ranger shape by then right? I graduate in 2014.

MSG Glenn
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I'm sure you will...

...especially if you work at it every day.

TacticalN29
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Would you recommend taking

Would you recommend taking Saturday and Sunday off or doing light stuff?

MSG Glenn
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PT recommendations

This is a system I've used for years for training in athletics or for the Special Operations in the Army:

Run a minimum of 2 miles every other day. Once you're conditioned throw a 5 - miler in once a week.

Immediately following the run do 2 minutes of push-ups & then 2 minutes of sit-ups.

On non-running days do some other form of cardio - long hikes adding a load gradually. Swimming, biking, rowing, etc. Continue doing push-ups & sit-ups daily in 2 minute increments. Also do pull-ups daily. If you want to do some weight work, either free weights or fitness equipment that's fine. You'll have to do some eventually. If you want to get a trainer so much the better but it'll cost.

When fully conditioned run daily.

While watching TV do push-ups alternating with sit-ups during commercial breaks.

Initially go for distance/time rather than speed/reps. Get used to the 2 mile run regardless how fast you are at first or even if you have to walk a part of it & get used to 2 minutes of PUs & SUs. Always try to better your last performance.

Maybe twice a month do a 12 mile ruck march with a minimum of 35 lbs on your back. Work up to distance & weight.

Make double sure that you don't scimp on running shoes & boots. They might cost a lot but they're well worth it. Make sure you're well hydrated.

I still am fussy about what I put on my feet & I change off between boots & shoes but I no longer run, just a 5 mile or longer walk a day. I try to walk at a rate of 4 miles in 45 minutes but sometimes I'll slow down to enjoy the scenery. In the case I go slow I'll go for a longer time, usually 2.5 hours depending on conditions & how my dog feels. If she wants to track or sniff I'll leave her. I have the luxury of living a half mile from a State Forest with grassy, wood chip & gravel trails with plenty of animals. If the heat starts getting to her or me then I just walk back or sit in the shade for a half hour. She's a Black Lab pup & harsh sunlight heats her up fast. It got up to 100 degrees yesterday with high humidity so we just stayed in the house all day. We went earlier today & walked for 2 hours at a steady pace but not too fast. I'm retired with absolutely no ax to grind.

The most important part is don't injure yourself! If you have to take a few days off because of pain don't worry about it.

TacticalN29
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Ok. I'm running right now

Ok. I'm running right now Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Biking two miles Tuesday and Thursday. Thank you very much! Also thanks to you and your son for your service!